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#108869 - 03/11/13 11:29 AM Re: Historical question [Re: Wieslaw]
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No Flemish bell for this ... but :
http://tellspell.com/german/wanzenau/221116/

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#108870 - 03/11/13 11:34 AM Re: Historical question [Re: Wieslaw]
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Originally Posted By: Wieslaw
Next question. I recall an old thread with a link to an external source on history of Laced Wyandottes. I cannot find it. I remember vaguely, that the text said something like that' Sebrights were used in the developement', but I recall it was mentioned as if it was LARGE FOWL! Does it ring any bell with somebody? Or have I mixed everything up?


No Wyandotte but a Laced Cochin => build via Sebright (laced tail = ER ;-)

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#108871 - 03/11/13 12:55 PM Re: Historical question [Re: Wieslaw]
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Have you tried any of the other older poultry books yet?

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#108889 - 03/12/13 12:52 PM Re: Historical question [Re: Smooth Mule]
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Originally Posted By: Smooth Mule
Have you tried any of the other older poultry books yet?


Yes, but I liked the ones linked by Kazjaps in the sticky thread the best.

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#108893 - 03/12/13 10:42 PM Re: Historical question [Re: Wieslaw]
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From what I have been reading, the precursor names to Wyandotte were "Sebright Cochin", then "American Sebright", plus others. The first variety of Wyandotte was Silver Laced phenotype.
archive.org search list on Wyandotte Chicken books
So if you read 'silver Sebright' in these old books, it might not be referring to the Silver Sebright bantam breed specifically, but to silver American Sebright - Wyandotte

And there is alot of uncertainty to the origins of Wyandottes/ American Sebrights. It seems accurate answers to the original breed make-up has been lost.

The following book is quite good at referring to direct quotes from breeders at the time.
The Wyandotte standard and breed book; a complete description of all varieties of Wyandottes, with the text in full from the latest (1915) rev. ed. of the American standard of perfection
http://archive.org/details/cu31924003096413

Some other books quote that John Ray crossed a Sebright Bantam rooster with yellow Chittagong, but in the above book Ray denies this completely. He had obtained Sebright Cochins elsewhere - & would refer to them at times as silver Sebrights (no relationship to the Sebright Bantam breed).

There were other similar rumours of Sebright Bantam rooster x white cochin or buff, in the make-up of "Sebright Cochin" but not substantiated from any particular breeder that this is what they did.

Also rumours of Silver Spangled Hamburg x Dark Brahma, plus research indicating that of the era Silver Laced Hamburg/Moonies existed.

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#108898 - 03/13/13 07:03 PM Re: Historical question [Re: Wieslaw]
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Originally Posted By: Wieslaw
Next question. I'm playing a detective at the moment. I have found an old Polish magazine from 1886, which mentions a chicken breed called "Wancenau". Has anybody ever heard about such a breed? Or is it a distortion of a similar word? The name looks like something from West Europe (Holland? Belgium? Germany?)

The Poule de la Wantzenau derived from d'Alsace, France and was a crossing of Houdans, Faverolles and Sundheimer and were raised mainly as poussins and were called « Wantzenauermischtkrątzerle »
That's a pet name and describes the minimization of a chick that scratches on the dung hill « Mis(ch)tkrątzerle »
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#108899 - 03/14/13 09:10 AM Re: Historical question [Re: Redcap]
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Thanks to all. You are a real treasure chest(of knowledge)

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#109004 - 03/23/13 07:03 AM Re: Historical question [Re: Wieslaw]
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Here is a piece of text from the poultry book on Brown Leghorns:



It is borrowed from here:

http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924001090202#page/n39/mode/2up

The question is about the sentence on the brown breasts of the cocks. Translated to "present day English" , how the word "brown" should be understood(genetically)? Any ideas?

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#109032 - 03/25/13 04:05 AM Re: Historical question [Re: Wieslaw]
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Some names to decipher. I have found a text in Polish from 1862.I'm convinced the names came from abroad.
The names may be synonyms with something else. Approximate translations(I have problems with building adjectives from nouns in English):
Ganges
Bengals
Jerusalem
Caylonklut
English Crested Hens
Malabars(as the dish; or confused with the dish?probably something from India)
Normandian Crested
Russian

I have deciphered Hamburg (Crested) here:

http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924001090202#page/n145/mode/2up

Normandian Crested may be Le Merlerault (or Caumont?)

http://volaillepoultry.chez.com/franc2.html

because it is from Normandy and it is crested , but is it THAT old?



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#109036 - 03/25/13 07:25 AM Re: Historical question [Re: Wieslaw]
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I have deciphered Normandian Crested. There was a reference to Houdans(although as far as I know, the city of Houdan is not in Normandy???)

Russian Fowl is described here:

http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924001090202#page/n151/mode/2up

looked like Dorking with beard. Any other names for it?

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