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#112756 - 05/14/14 04:21 PM Security problem-new forum software?
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Originally I tried to find out whether it is possible to improve quote functions in UBBThreads
Especially in long threads it would be better that a Quote refer by hyperlink to the original posting.
http://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/255560/1
But my enquiry in a UBBThread support forum shows, that there is no really interest to improve their software. In other Forum Boards this function is Standard.
Due to the security risk and the oldfashioned features of this Board (to that price) I would recommend a switch to another forum board.

I want recall again, that they say that there is a security risk in this Board version! It would be very sad if we would loose all these worthfull threads, by a breakdown!!

So I want to suggest to change to another Board.

PhpBB would be okay
http://www.kippenforum.nl/phpBB3/index.php
http://www.forum-software.org/phpbb3/review

Other alternatives are (just a selection)
http://www.forum-software.org/forum-comp...o-vs-zetaboards

If You would choose my favorites the IPBoard or Burning Board, I would make a donation for the initial license. smile
Examples
http://www.poultrychat.com/
http://www.tierforen.net/index.html
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#112760 - 05/15/14 06:09 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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For Loren, just for the case I have success to get in contact.

Here are the postings where they warned in the UBBThread-Support-Forum about the security problems in UBB.threads™ 7.5.4.2 - the first time in 2011
http://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ubbthre...ymbo#Post246890
http://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/255504/re-hyperlink-quote#Post255504

As UBBThreads is really not the best Software for that money, I rather recommend to change to another Board and export the Forum content than wasting money for a security update of a still oldfashioned software.
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#112768 - 05/15/14 03:40 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Is there another email than lhadley at semphonic.com ??
It doesn't work anymore.
I am not at Facebook. Could someone refer to this thread?
https://www.facebook.com/loren.hadley
Thanks in advance!

My Email
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Subject:
New Board Software - Security Risk of the used version

Dear Loren,

initally I wanted to suggest to introduce an improved Quote feature at the Coop Classroom Board and again - as mentioned already in a thread in 2011, they warned in the UBBThread supporter Forum about a huge security risk of the used version.
This security lack exists already since more than 3 Years.
http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=112756#Post112756
Would You consider to switch to another Board software, if we member are ready to pay a member/supporter fee?
Compare these examples
http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/byc-memberships-help-support-backyardchickens
http://www.poultrychat.com/index.php?app=subscriptions

Please consider to change the Board software, it would be a great loss for us all chicken genetic addicts, if the Board content would be lost by a crash!
And UBBThread is not very comfortable in relation to that price!

Regards

Daniel aka Redcap

Berlin, Germany

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#112774 - 05/16/14 10:52 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Appreciate your concerns for this website. Have not heard from Loren for a LONG time. Facebook???Doesn't look like the Loren I have known.
A number of us have offered to help pay for the site, if wanted.

Sending personal message.

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#112785 - 05/22/14 07:57 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: CJR]
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What shall we do when Loren doesn't give any reaction?
Is there a possibility to copy the content of the old forum (which is lost already and can only be accessed by archive.org, but how long this will be so?)
http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=88325#Post88325
and the content of this forum to a new plattform?
Maybe with a new name e.g. www.coop-classroom.com ??

Or as the community topics are mostly centered on poultry genetics maybe the
www.chicken-genetics.com
http://www.cheap-registrar.com/domains/s...mp;pl_id=107275

or
www.poultry-genetics.com
http://www.cheap-registrar.com/domains/s...mp;pl_id=107275

or

www.coop-genetics.com
http://www.cheap-registrar.com/domains/s...mp;pl_id=107275


Edited by Redcap (05/22/14 11:39 AM)
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#112788 - 05/23/14 03:36 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Loren has an account at www.linkedin.com and can be contacted through that site, if he checks or replies. You have to be a member to make contact with other members. Similar to our Private Messages.

I think it would be nice if he would turn the site over to one or more dedicated members who could move the classroom forward.
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#112792 - 05/24/14 04:34 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Moderator2]
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Has anyone here a facebook or linkedin account and could refer Loren to this thread?
I don't want to get member just for this case at these social networks.
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#112814 - 05/28/14 06:25 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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I have opened a linkedin account, but the free one does not allow direct contact. However, I have other friends who do have it, and I will be asking for their help in reaching Loren.

Meantime, I have been dropped from the COOP, and have had to reapply for membership. Now, I cannot reach my messages, other saved material????????????

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#112815 - 05/28/14 11:12 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: coopmaster]
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Oh no CJR ... have You lost the password? Your profile still exists.
http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=login&lostpw=1
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#112819 - 05/29/14 05:59 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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CJR, I don't see anything wrong with your old account. I have sent you a new temporary password to your e-mail address. Remember it is case sensitive. I will also e-mail your user name.
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#112822 - 05/29/14 07:36 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Moderator2]
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Thanks M2!!! Had my original information, but it would not accept it, even with 2 new temporary passwords--so in order to keep going to contact Loren, I reregistered. Now all seems well, back to original registration. These problems are not in my realm of computer science.????????? So I do appreciate the help and have started the search through friends in linkedin. This is an important project.

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#113021 - 07/16/14 01:00 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Moderator2]
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So ... ???
What shall we do?
Loren doesn't give a live sign!
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#113191 - 09/24/14 06:09 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Yesterday I've got a message from Loren
Originally Posted By: Admin @ The Coop
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Do you have any suggestions on a good alternative? Is this something you have experience with? If we did migrate, do you have suggestions for archiving the existing content?

I've got limited time to spend but will make the effort to make the update if the interest is there. Are there others that should be included in the conversation? Let me know.

Thanks,
Loren


Therefore I want to continue the public discussion.

Personally I would suggest Woltlab (Burning Board), as it is one of the best software, but one of the cheapest. Which software would be the best to import the Forum content from this UBB.Threads Forum??
What do You think?
Which software would prefer the active Admins and moderators?

Originally Posted By: Redcap

... alternatives are (just a selection)
http://www.forum-software.org/forum-comp...o-vs-zetaboards

If You would choose my favorites the IPBoard or Burning Board, I would make a donation for the initial license. smile
Examples
http://www.poultrychat.com/
http://www.tierforen.net/index.html
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#113193 - 09/24/14 03:58 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Speaking for myself, I do not know enough to help. I know very little about how web sites are set up and have no idea how we could transfer the contents of this site to a new one.

If any of our members have experience in these areas and would like to help out, please speak up.

I became a moderator here many years ago. At that time I was a very active poster. I have always remembered how much the members here (all long gone now, with the exception of CJR!) helped me when I was just starting out and knowing that todays members do that for others I have stayed on to help keep the board running. I am willing to continue doing what little I can if we upgrade to a new board, but other than point and click maintenance and working through member issues I have no skills to offer.
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#113195 - 09/26/14 08:11 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Moderator2]
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I don't know enough about how websites are set up either. While I'm a sort of behind the scenes Administrator, on a level 1-10, 10 being the most experienced, I'd rate myself about a 1 or 2.

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#113199 - 09/27/14 09:25 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Foehn]
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Same here, only my rating might be -1. However, this site has been a most valuable asset to my Poultry projects. I have appreciated every post, regardless of breed or their mixes or country of source. You are all my support and are the unlisted footnotes to the Genetics books I still brouse and study!
While I have printed copies and saved many posts on line, I do not know to file them skillfully and there are many that I can recall, but have not saved. It would be sad, not to be able to access here on this site. A loss to everyone who belong to the COOP.
I can help a little financially, if this is required.

Loren. we are not able to thank you enough for the COOP~~would so like to be in touch with you--have a grandson who has done several service trips to Ethiopia and hopes to go again. Few know how old this person is--and am still working with Mille Fleur and Cream Mille Fleur Dutch,(from Holland) and still have several 8,12 year old hens in CLB, Wh, Ginger, BLB Splash. They have kept me going--and still learning!!!


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#113203 - 09/28/14 03:54 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: CJR]
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I thought that You are all user of different forums (softwares) and have Your preferences for one or the other software.
To know, which software are Your favorite as forum user could help to find the best for us.
In my case it is IP Board or Burning Board. I have also no experience as (technical) administrator.
I guess that only Henk has experience in this direction.
A few Years ago I made some test demonstrations.
http://www.forum-software.org/live-forum-demonstrations
And all tested softwares were really to use as moderator or administrator - without prior knowledge! I am also just a forum user.
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#113204 - 09/28/14 05:39 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Redcap, I do not use other boards to be able to offer a suggestion on which may be best for our members. I know many members do spend time on multiple boards.

I invite ALL members to offer suggestions.
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#113207 - 09/29/14 01:53 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Moderator2]
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My real experience is as an end user of a programme written specifically as a library database. There are I think 4 levels on it from guest through to master. I worked below master at administrator level but knowing that programme well, still doesn't qualify me to know anything about the shell of filemaker that it sit in or even how it's built.
My only other moderator experience was with proboards when Sandy Chapple was running Happy Hen House, but once again, I don't know enough about proboards or the background techy stuff to know if that is a better substitute for ubb threads.
Sorry I can't help here.

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#113286 - 11/06/14 06:30 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Foehn]
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So Admins & Moderators,

could You live with Woltlab http://www.woltlab.com/index.php/Purchas...585bb00d2b55922 as a new Board software?
It is in relation to its performance the cheapest software, but easy to use and SAFE!
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#113291 - 11/09/14 12:52 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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It would be a nice upgrade from our current board. I have sent a request to see if we can directly import our current data base to the new software.
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#113292 - 11/09/14 05:05 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Moderator2]
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Redcap, can you point us at any forum based board (the one you recommend) that is in use so I can get an idea of what the "public face" of the board looks like?

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#113293 - 11/10/14 03:35 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Sure
Originally Posted By: Redcap


Here You can see a thread of the support forum.
http://www.woltlab.com/forum/index.php/T...717#post1386717
There are examples of the hyperlink qutotation.
So You can look the original posting/thread.

Here You can test the forum board as Admin, or Moderator
http://www.woltlab.com/index.php/Demo/


Originally Posted By: Moderator2
It would be a nice upgrade from our current board. I have sent a request to see if we can directly import our current data base to the new software.

If that wouldn't be possible, I rather accept an upgrade within UBB.threads
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#113294 - 11/10/14 03:36 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Here is the reply I received from WaltLab.

Hello Bill,

Thank you for your inquiry and interest in our products. A direct data
import from UBB.threads is unfortunately not possible. The Forum must be
converted into a phpBB at first. Only then the data can be transferred
in Burning Board.

A converter from UBB.threads to phpBB 3.0 can be found here:
https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=2139186

We would be happy take on this work for you. In order to provide you an
individual offer, we need the information how many users, posts and
attachments (total memory) need to be converted.

If you need any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Yours sincerely,

Andrea Berg
Customer Support WoltLab GmbH
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#113297 - 11/11/14 06:27 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Moderator2]
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I have made also an enquiry to IP.Board - to find out whether an import/conversion could be easier with their board solution.
But it is more expensive and the board is somehow oversized for our "little community".
http://www.poultrychat.com/
is IP.Board based

What do You think about this design?
http://www.urban-chickens.com/
I love the reading chicken Icon. cool
That makes this board much more "lovely".
Something similiar would be perfect.
For example we could show a monthly/yearly donation goal to finance the forum.


Edited by Redcap (11/11/14 06:46 AM)
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#113731 - 01/30/15 10:39 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Additionally I made an enquiry on an independant board
http://www.wewota.de/threads/wer-hat-erf....651/#post-6203
Translation
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wewota.de%2Fthreads%2Fwer-hat-erfahrung-mit-foren-umzug-von-ubb-threads-7-5-4-2-zu-burning-board.651%2F%23post-6203&sandbox=1
This guy recomand to change to Invision Power Board.
I've forwarded these results to Loren.
Hopefully we can realize a board change soon!
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#113748 - 01/31/15 08:53 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Good Show, Redcap!

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#114203 - 04/16/15 01:56 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: coopmaster]
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No reaction by Loren until today ...
In the meanwhile I found that Simply machine has a Converter, for UBB.threads
http://download.simplemachines.org/?converters;software=ubbthreads
and this Forum software is for free
http://www.forum-software.org/simple-machines-2/review

PS:

Here they provide professional Forum converter service (the price tor both solutions will be the same)
http://gconverters.com/convert-ubb-threads-to-ip-board/
http://gconverters.com/convert-ubb-threads-to-simple-machines-forum/

No matter, which Software we'll take, it could look similarly like this


Edited by Redcap (04/16/15 02:56 AM)
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#114208 - 04/16/15 10:45 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Best wishes to Loren (yes, I still keep DUTCH). Would be so glad to be in touch!

And let us know if and when we can contribute to any secure changes to the site.

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#114210 - 04/16/15 01:58 PM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: CJR]
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I just want to show the difference between IP.Board and Simple Machines and made therefore some screen casts.
https://www.screenr.com/HkJN
https://www.screenr.com/2kJN
https://www.screenr.com/dkJN
I think, You can easliy see, why www.Poultrychat.com and www.urban-chickens.com use IP.Board.

The graphical surface has a higher quality in IP-Board. In the messenger You can edit messages until the recipient read it.
In Simple Machines the surface (e.g. the smilies) look cheaper (blurred). In the messenger it is not possible to edit the messages at any time!
For me still rules IP.Board ... even if Simple Machines is for free!
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#114355 - 05/08/15 06:34 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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I just want to share my email response to Loren to his Email from April 20.

Dear Loren,

thank You for Your response.
Honestly I am totally focused on IP.Board in the meanwhile.
That's called the most comfortable and highly developed Board Software.
http://www.poultrychat.com/
is IP.Board based

What do You think about this design of another IP.Board based poultry forum?
https://web.archive.org/web/20140322122633/http://www.urban-chickens.com/
Currently, the forum is down, but the reading chicken as icon for the sub forums is great,
That seems to be the original graphic
http://www.influenzaresources.org/index_678.html
Color version in icon size

If someone could modify (add a mortar board on the chickens head ) and resize it, this would be the perfect Logo for the Classroom.
A mortar board like this


A short time I thought about Simply Machines ( a free Board Software), but in the demonstration, it shows massive difference to IP. Board
See in (the Screen Casts) in this Posting
http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=114210#Post114210
In the early time of this thread I thought about Woltlab Burning Board, but it seems to be more complicated
https://community.woltlab.com/thread/237...604#post1432604

A few days ago I found a company which offer migration services (see forwarded Email).

But I made also enquiries to Woltlab and IP.Board itself regarding the costs for Board migration.
The team of Woltlab Burning Board takes over 1000 $ for the migration service and the IP. Board team migration service "starts at 650$".
I've got no offical quote. For this I have to ask again.
But already Yet it is clear - Either we leave the migration service to gConverter (see forwarded Email),
or if someone ( of the Administration team - maybe Henk? **) of the Forum dare to make the migration, we could save the costs for migration!
The Converter tool from IP.Board is free!
But the converter can only downloaded with a client account
https://www.invisionpower.com/convert
Here is a guide of Invision power for board migrations
https://www.invisionpower.com/support/gu...unity-suite-r37

To make it easier for me, I copy this Email communication into the Coop thread to start with donation acquisition, if it's okay for You!?
I hope we get together enough money to realize the migration.

** Can You imagine, that he would make the migration to IP.Board? The migration to Burning board is much more complicated, why I would think, that gConverter should do this job.
The total costs are:
IP.Board

$ 175 for Board software
plus $ 225 for migration service
Total $ 400 ($ 175 - if Henk or somebody else can make the migration with the free Converter tool)

Woltlab Burning Board

$ 89 for Board software
plus $ 240 for migration service
Total $ 329

But again - even if we have to leave the migration service to gConverter.
IP.Board would be the better choice, as a guy in this Webworker-Forum has pointed out.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl...F&sandbox=1

Finally an important question for the preservation of the Forum.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to give him the forum and domain rights? Or do You want to keep the domain, site and forum?
To make it easier for me, I copy this Email communication into the Coop thread to start with donation acquisition, if it's okay for You!?
I hope we come to an arrangement which ensure the preservation of the classroom content and we get together enough money to realize the migration.

Regards

Daniel
PS: In the meanwhile I could arrange, that Sigrid van Dort (http://chickencolours.com/) would create such a Professor-Chicken icon graphic for the Classroom,
like they have/had it at urban chicken forum.

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#114356 - 05/08/15 11:35 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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#114431 - 05/31/15 09:14 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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Just for the case - safe these links!
Here you can find the latest backup of the forum.
To get always the latest backup - click on the right arrow at the top of the site
http://web.archive.org/web/20150322120906/http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php
Old Coop
http://web.archive.org/web/2009092123345...ard-topics.html
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#114454 - 06/07/15 07:24 AM Re: Security problem-new forum software? [Re: Redcap]
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