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#113632 - 01/16/15 01:15 PM Crele vs Legbar?
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Can someone explain (and show pics of?) the difference between crele and legbar? As far as I can find out they are both barring (BB or B_) based on e+/e+.

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#113638 - 01/17/15 05:16 AM Re: Crele vs Legbar? [Re: Norwegian]
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Legbar is a "crele" breed that carries ig/ig: so it would be cream crele in color. Or is that only the cream legbar?
Crele is the general colorname.

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#113641 - 01/17/15 07:27 AM Re: Crele vs Legbar? [Re: Henk69]
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Henk: I think that it's only the cream. In the 5th edition of the British Standard, Legbar is given in three varieties; gold, silver and cream. The original Legbar was bred from brown Leghorn and barred Plymouth Rocks, as far as I remember.

Maybe it's only a matter of geography crele in the US and legbar in Europe?

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#113642 - 01/17/15 10:10 AM Re: Crele vs Legbar? [Re: Norwegian]
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Legbar is a breed, crele is a colorvariety

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#113663 - 01/19/15 09:13 AM Re: Crele vs Legbar? [Re: Henk69]
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I have seen some orpingtons in the UK that are labeled as legbar color. It seems that the legbar hens are not as distinctly barred as crele hens but that is really the only pattern difference I see.

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#113665 - 01/19/15 09:17 AM Re: Crele vs Legbar? [Re: Moo]
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The term "Legbar-coloured" is used in Norway too!
Never heard "crele" here, though.

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#113666 - 01/19/15 11:33 AM Re: Crele vs Legbar? [Re: Norwegian]
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Crele is the english word. We call it koekoekpatrijs, germans kennfarbig, etc...

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#113668 - 01/19/15 11:40 AM Re: Crele vs Legbar? [Re: Henk69]
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So a Legbar (breed) has crele colour? (At least in englishspeaking countries)

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#113671 - 01/19/15 02:19 PM Re: Crele vs Legbar? [Re: Norwegian]
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Wieslaw mentioned earlier that the Legbar name was being used as a variety name in Denmark (instead of Crele).

The origins of "Legbar" was with the development of autosexing breeds in the UK, ie Punnett et al. As the name suggests, Leghorn x barred. So "Legbar" is a breed, with 3 exhibition varieties Cream, Gold & Silver. The same/similar phenotypes were developed multiple times in autosexing breeds, so it doesn't make much sense to the English speakers picking out Legbars from the pack.

The Crele (Creole, Creel) e+ B Game variety name has been around for a very long time - centuries.

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