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#11442 - 10/21/03 08:58 PM Re: help: dog attack and home surgery
Ratbird Offline
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Registered: 05/18/03
Posts: 324
Loc: California
I am so sorry Bukbuk. I feel so much for all of you.

What happened to the dogs? Did Dianne see them? Can they be tracked?

Just horrible.

It's a really tough thing to choose to let them free range or keep them in the coop 24 by 7.

How is Humu doing now?

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#11443 - 10/22/03 04:15 AM Re: help: dog attack and home surgery
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Humu is doing well. She's eating, drinking, pooping and really against taking her antibiotics! All seem like good signs to me.

We have just been guessing on what dose of Amoxicillin she needs - does anyone know how much a 4 pound hen with a wound about 4 by 5 inches should get? We've been giving her about 50 mg roughly 3x a day. Is that enough? Is it too much?

Also, should we be cleaning the wound area? It doesn't look like any muscle was exposed - it really just looks like chicken fat from a grocery store chicken, only no skin covering it... We initially cleaned it with hydrogen peroxide, a saline rinse, an antibiotic rinse, and have been keeping it covered with Neosporin, but haven't cleaned it again since right after the attack (36 hours ago).

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Bukbuk's wife (and Humu's mom)

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#11444 - 10/22/03 05:08 AM Re: help: dog attack and home surgery
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Bukbuk,

I am so sorry about your birds. My deepest sympathies.
As far as cleaning Humu's wounds, unles you are seeing a lot of pus or other signs of infection, I would leave it alone. Keep up with the neosporin but stay away from the hydrogen peroxide. It can actually do more harm than good at this stage. For initial cleaning of a wound it is fine to use. But, as healing takes place, the peroxide can harm or destroy the new cell growth in the wound increasing the risk of infection. There will probably be a lot of fluid still draining from the wounds. This is good as this fluid has a number of bacteriostatic(inhibits bacteria from growing) properties. If pus does start to form, try moist heat. A mild epsom salt solution in very warm but not hot water will help draw out all that nasty stuff. It sounds like she is doing well and you and the Mrs. did everything right. Best of luck and I will keep my fingers crossed for you- Cedewynne

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#11445 - 10/22/03 06:55 AM Re: help: dog attack and home surgery
Susie Offline
Lord of the Fowl

Registered: 07/16/02
Posts: 1902
Loc: Arkansas
Bukbuk,

First of all, I'm very sorry you are having to deal with this. I know it's upsetting and you are doing your very best to try to help Humu. I know it is difficult to find information on dosages of meds for poultry. I tried to find some info for you. Take it with a grain of salt as I have no solid resources, just website citations.

I'm getting some conflicting information but if I was in your shoes, I'd go with the higher dose recommendations unless your bird starts showing signs of diarrhea. We don't want the side-effect to be worse than the cure. It sounds like she is doing well so supporting her with some antibiotics is more of a preventive issue at this point -- and an important one. I just wouldn't want to overdo and have something like diarrhea jeopardize her healing.

I am finding information that says 50-100 mg. per day. Then another site says up to 175 mg. PER kg. of body weight. If a kg is 2.2 lbs....do you know how much your bird weighs, approximately?

Here are the two sites where I found this info, for oral amoxcillin.

http://groups.msn.com/CHICKENCHRONICLES/yourwebpage6.msnw

http://zcog.org/zcog%20frames/Avian%20Drugs/Avian%20Drugs.htm

I hope that helps! I think I would be doing a higher dose right now and then cut back (plus add yogurt if she likes it) if you notice a diarrhea problem starting. If the yogurt is difficult to get down her, I'm sure you could buy some acidophilus capsules and break them open on her food and get some good bacteria in her that way.

Good luck to you! I hope everything works out for Humu. It sounds good right now. I've had dog attacks on occasion myself and have experienced both good results and bad. Sometimes there are internal injuries that you cannot see. However, a bird acting like your Humu feels like a good prognosis to me.

Susie

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#11446 - 10/22/03 03:51 PM Re: help: dog attack and home surgery
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Glad to report that Humu is looking even better this morning. Some of her wounds have started to scab over. Yesterday they were producing a lot of fluids, I think the bacteriostatic kind that Cedewyne mentioned. Dianne has been applying the Neosporin once a day. Last night Humu really fought to avoid the oral antibiotic but Dianne managed to control her long enough to squirt it into her mouth. This morning we didn't want to force it down again so we took her favorite food, grapes, and excised the middles with a straw, put the antibiotic in the holes and fed the grapes to her. She gobbled them up heartily. I guess these are good signs that Humu has strength. All the other chickens who died had severe neck wounds, and Humu was the only one who wasn't bitten in that area. She's eating like she always does -- a lot. And pooping some normal poops. One this morning was a bit chocolaty but she's had some normal ones since then. No diarrhea so far. She was cackling up a storm yesterday evening and looking around, which I interpreted as trying to call her flock. She was alpha hen before and I guess she misses her sisters. We put her closer to her 8 week old daughter and nieces, who are spitting images of their moms. Hopefully in a few weeks the little ones will work themselves in as Humu's new flock. Life goes on.

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#11447 - 10/22/03 03:53 PM Re: help: dog attack and home surgery
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Oh, and thank you, Susie for the links and info about dosages. Will try the suggestions.

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#11448 - 10/22/03 05:30 PM Re: help: dog attack and home surgery
Spotted Crow Offline
Ruler of the Roost

Registered: 07/24/03
Posts: 855
Loc: Massachusetts
Goddess, BukBuk, I'm sorry for your loss. But at least Humu seems to be doing well. She's probably sort of in shock and she will miss her friends. Alot of TLC and treats will not hurt. Did Dianne recognize the dogs? If you know whose they are, you could try and get some compensation from the owners. Or at least have them admit to the dirty deed.
Good luck and hugs and kisses to Humu from the Fuzzy Buddys. Jerry's been through losing his sister and he's done fine. Good luck.

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#11449 - 10/22/03 05:37 PM Re: help: dog attack and home surgery
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Few people who haven't raised chickens understand the tranquility and enjoyment those of us who do raise chickens experience. When I mentioned the attack to some coworkers, they reacted with indifference for the most part. Thank you all on this board for your support during the crisis and aftermath. As Sandy mentioned in her posts about the Giggle Chix, you are all Damn Good People.

Yesterday I buried Jack and Jill, Nuku, and Apu in the banana grove across from our front door. Last year during Typhoon Pongsona all of the banana trees in the grove fell over but within a few weeks shoots sprang up from the bases of the fallen trees. Almost a year later the trees are thirty feet high, denser and healthier than what I remember. Every morning when Dianne and I leave home for work, we'll see the banana grove and what it represents, and we'll have inspiration to start the day.

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#11450 - 10/22/03 07:11 PM Re: help: dog attack and home surgery
Cody Offline
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Registered: 05/18/03
Posts: 32
Loc: Arkansas
Sorry to hear about the attack. frown

It sound as though the hen is doing fine. Hope she lays you lots of eggs. One question that I have is, what are you gonna do with the dogs? Are they your neighbors or just a pack of strays. We have a pack of strays and a few of the neighborhood dogs decide to run with them every now and then. I watched one of them try to attack a flock of sheep accrosed the road from me, he did not see the gaurd dogs that were under a wagon to the right. The biggest one of them came flying out from under his hiding place and rolled the attacker. He was chewing the butt off of that dog all the way back to the other dogs house. The other dog got a torn ear for the encounter. That gaurdog is a mean looking critter. I just thought that I would share a story about a dog that got what was comming to him. laugh
I don't know if you are like me, but I really get mad when anything screws with my hens. mad There was a opossum that killed one of my hens in a seperate pen from the rest of my flock. I set 3 steel jaw traps and caught that son of a gun in 2 of them. Hope you give those dogs what is comming to them. good luck.
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cogburn

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#11451 - 10/22/03 09:28 PM Re: help: dog attack and home surgery
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Neither of us recognized the dogs. Dianne says she won't forget the dog that was chewing on Humu and that she whacked with the broom handle. Right after the attack we tracked down the four dogs to the next door neighbor's compound. I had never seen the dogs there before but that's where they retreated after I chased one down and hit it with a steel rod. I'm with you, Cogburn, that the dogs have it coming to them. My landlord, who lives downstairs, said he would "take care of them" next time he sees them. He keeps chickens too and when another neighbor's dogs killed some of his chickens the dogs disappeared one day. I pressed him on this and he said that he poisoned the dogs. Although I couldn't do this myself, I won't stop my landlord from doing it. And the four dogs in this pack killed one of his chickens so they just might disappear in the next few days, too.

The ironic thing is that I like dogs and Dianne and I were looking at puppies the other day to protect the flock when they get older. But the dogs that attacked our chickens are boonie dogs that are vicious looking and acting, and I have no problem whacking one with a machete if it comes on the property again.

Humu, Nuku and Apu gave us lots of eggs. On the day Apu died she laid an egg in her relatively new nesting location, a folding picnic chair with a concave canvas seat that is on our front porch. I guess she thought that was a safer place than the coop, which can get muddy and dirty in the heavy rains we have here. Yesterday I put that egg in the incubator. I won't know if it's fertile for another week. There's a small chance because my landlord's RIR rooster occasionally escapes from his pen and always seems to find the hens soon afterwards. I had some of Humu's and Nuku's eggs in the fridge--they were a few days in there--and put those in the incubator too, but those eggs have an even slimmer chance of being fertile and hatching. I'll report back in a few days if they're fertile.

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