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#116795 - 08/13/17 11:43 PM Re: Definitions(genetic load and others) [Re: Wieslaw]
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Are the names of chickens breeds in English written with a capital or small letter? leghorns or Leghorns? Especially the Japanese ones. I have only found about dogs, that some breeds are written with small and if the name includes places or people names, then with a capital letter.
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#116796 - 08/14/17 04:26 AM Re: Definitions(genetic load and others) [Re: Wieslaw]
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If its a generic term the small letter eg he owns a spaniel, she was out walking her terrier.
However if it's a specific breed then capital letters eg he has a Springer Spaniel, she was out walking her Cairn Terrier.

And so with chickens. Eg he breeds chickens, she keeps Exchequer Leghorns.

Interesting question though, if the breed name does not refer to a place or persons name then why use capitals? Convention!
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#116797 - 08/15/17 09:58 AM Re: Definitions(genetic load and others) [Re: Hen-Gen]
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Thanks Hen-Gen. Maybe two more for you(or others too):
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I'm translating descriptions of a Japanese drawing into English. They want to know the name of the part of the neck hackle which is seen when you look at the front of the bird("front hackle??")

2) I have seen different spellings on the Internet, and don't know which to chose:

toenail vs toe nail
tail-coverts vs tail coverts
primary-coverts vs primary coverts
wing-coverts vs wing coverts
wing-bow vs wing bow

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#116799 - 08/15/17 04:41 PM Re: Definitions(genetic load and others) [Re: Wieslaw]
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It is strange with the naming of genes that they went with lower case as a nomenclature rule:

Quote:
The name of the genetic trait should be written with a
lower-case initial letter (e.g., dominant white, crest)


Alphabetical list of the genes of domestic fowl.
Somes RG Jr.
J Hered. 1980 May-Jun;71(3):168-74.
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#116800 - 08/16/17 01:01 AM Re: Definitions(genetic load and others) [Re: Wieslaw]
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Originally Posted By: Wieslaw
Thanks Hen-Gen. Maybe two more for you(or others too):
1)
I'm translating descriptions of a Japanese drawing into English. They want to know the name of the part of the neck hackle which is seen when you look at the front of the bird("front hackle??")

2) I have seen different spellings on the Internet, and don't know which to chose:

toenail vs toe nail
tail-coverts vs tail coverts
primary-coverts vs primary coverts
wing-coverts vs wing coverts
wing-bow vs wing bow

Thanks






The Oxford English Dictionay recognises the word 'toenail'.
In the other cases the use of the hyphen is incorrect. The second options you give are the right way of expressing these anatomical features.
So far as I know there is no word for the front of the hackle.

Interestingly (to etymologists) the hyphen is widely over used by English speakers.
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#116801 - 08/17/17 03:01 PM Re: Definitions(genetic load and others) [Re: Hen-Gen]
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thanks Hen-Gen
I have found the term "front hackle" on the picture in the following link

http://www.yellowbirchhobbyfarm.com/roosters-a-complete-guide/

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#116802 - 08/18/17 10:53 AM Re: Definitions(genetic load and others) [Re: Wieslaw]
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Well that's our friends across the Atlantic!
What's that old saying, ' two nations separated by a common language ' ! laugh


Edited by Hen-Gen (08/19/17 02:52 AM)
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#116803 - 08/21/17 10:40 PM Re: Definitions(genetic load and others) [Re: Hen-Gen]
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The following South African show poultry website has the chicken anatomy illustration that is in the British Poultry Standards:
http://www.poultryclubsa.co.za/anatomy-of-chickens/

11 Neck
12 Neck hackle
13 Breast

27 Primary flights
28 Wing bay
29 Wing bar
30 Wing covert
31 Shoulder
32 Wing bow
33 Saddle hackle

34 Tail covert
35 Side Hangers
36 Tail sickle
37 Main tail
38 Back

*see above link for full legend
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Note, the British Poultry Standards differs from the American by having both "neck hackles" and "saddle hackles".

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#116804 - 08/21/17 11:24 PM Re: Definitions(genetic load and others) [Re: KazJaps]
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One area that gets quite confusing is the wing feather terminology.

It seems "shoulder" and "wing bow" are often interchanged, but they are actually different areas. Might not be so noticeable in softfeather breeds, but in Modern Game males going through moults, it's easier to see 3 sections /feather type areas that combine to make the wing bow.


See that only a part of the scapulars, feathers raised up in this cockerel (which some call the shoulder), are phaeomelanin red:

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The following great photos show how the wing bow coverts & scapular (left of wing front (wing butt) & wing bow) phaeomelanin feathers join:
http://www.geauga4h.org/poultry/chicken_parts_wing.htm

Image from John Anderson, Dept. of Animal Sciences, The Ohio State University.

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From The filipino Vet:
http://www.thefilipinovet.com/useful-info.html?chart=gamefowl


Edited by KazJaps (08/21/17 11:37 PM)
Edit Reason: added photo

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#116805 - 08/22/17 12:08 AM Re: Definitions(genetic load and others) [Re: KazJaps]
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