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#116934 - 11/30/17 11:51 AM Pheasaucana
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I'm going to try a cross with Silver Pheasant males over silver Ameraucana chicken females...both bantam and large fowl.

This is just for the fun of it with the goal to end up with chickens in a couple/few generations that have some pheasant traits.
The second year I plan to put hybrid males over chicken females and maybe even chicken males over hybrid females. Again I hope to work on both bantam and large fowl, so that could be four breeding pens.

I've done many internet searches on this subject and would appreciate hearing of any experiences you all have had, along with quotes, links, etc. to more information.


Edited by John (11/30/17 11:53 AM)
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#116935 - 11/30/17 03:02 PM Re: Pheasaucana [Re: John]
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Unfortunately there are not many detailed documentations about Pheasant & Gallus crosses, where You can find descriptions about phenotype, like Coloration of plumage, Comb shape/Wattles (Yes/No?)
Eight Years ago there was an article on the polish poultry site Woliera about a cock with the name Bato.
It was claimed, that he was a hybrid of a Golden Pheasant and a mongrel chicken.
https://de.scribd.com/document/365984925/RE-Chicken-Pheasant-Hybrid-Bato
First I tended to believe the claim, but after reading Wheeler et al. (1910) I have my doubt - even this described hybrid was based on a Ringneck Pheasant, the offspring had a low/flat comb and wattles were absent.
https://academic.oup.com/jhered/article/1/4/266/780945
The unresolved question is, whether Pheasant-Chicken hybrids can have such combs, which can usually be seen only in Redcaps or Rose comb crosses (e.g. in Wyandottes)?

I made no research with the data mentioned in McCarthy (2006, page 44), whether they could resolve the mystery, if rose combs in Pheasant hybrids are possible.
Go to the end of the page 44
http://spinus.info/Images/books/AH743697479746.pdf#page=59

Well - I have extracted the references for Pheasant & Gallus hybrids from the literature/bibliography of McCarthy (2006, page 44) finally.
Some day I will watch through for indications, whether rose combs can be possible in Pheasant hybrids.

1934. Pheasants. Avicultural Magazine,4th Ser., 12: 171–172
1952b. Fertility of hybrid Rosellas. Cage Birds , 102: 251
1951a. Breeding results at the Keston Foreign Bird Farm during 1950. Avicultural Magazine, 57: 135–137
1909c. On the sex of hybrid birds.Biological Bulletin, 16: 193–198
Gray, A. P. 1958. Bird hybrids: A checklist with bibliography. Commonwealth Agricultural Bureaux, The Commonwealth Bureau of Animal Breeding and Genetics Edinburgh,Farnham Royal, Bucks, England.
Higuchi, H. 1971. On some hybrids in pheasants in captivity. Tori, 20: 187–190
Malinowska, W. 1958. Anatomico-histological investigations of intergeneric hybrids in birds of the Phasianidae family. I: Female hybrids. Zoologica Poloniae , 8: 335–348
1951. Golden Pheasant hen Chrysolophus pictus L. and domestic cock Gallus domesticus L. hybrids obtained by means of artificial insemination. Bulletin international. Classe des Sciences mathématiques et naturelles,B2, 1951: 443–449
Maru, N., Ishijima, Y. 1968. [Hybrids of Golden pheasant Chrysolophus pictus L. and Domestic Fowl G. gallus var. domesticus Brisson]. Tori,18: 284–286
Ogilvie-Grant, W. R. 1893. Catalogue of birds in the British Museum, 22. London: Taylor and Francis
Thomas, F. E. 1951. ‘Phantoms.’ Avicultural Magazine, 57: 198.
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#116936 - 12/01/17 03:47 PM Re: Pheasaucana [Re: Redcap]
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While interspecies hybrids are not that rare even in nature , the biggest question for me still remains "what's the next step". Does any information exist, whether anybody succeeded to go beyond F1? The barrier of infertility was broken at least once in the past according to Swedish scientists (yellow skin gene stemming from Grey Junglefowl) within the same genus. But it is outside the genus.

http://www.gobirding.eu/Photos/Swoose.php
http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/BRKHybrids.html

In Poland the wild hybrids between blackcocks and capercaillies have been known for centuries, but they were always infertile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKUKxACw_0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ZFdghuwmQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rKjlmh3cvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht_NmTuxJTk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ_nShyEOZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4SdPQcMHzQ


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#116942 - 12/04/17 04:10 PM Re: Pheasaucana [Re: Wieslaw]
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I've noticed in my online searches that when it comes to pheasant/chicken hybrids silver pheasant (Lophura nycthemera) males over chicken females produce viable chicks more than other pheasants.

Originally Posted By: http://messybeast.com/genetics/hybrid-birds.htm
A.P.Grey's "Bird hybrids" lists numerous crosses between Domestic fowl and other types of fowl. They can be crossed, and produce fertile offspring, with silver pheasants, red junglefowl and green jungle fowl. They have also produced hybrids with peafowl, chachalacas, capricale, grouse, quail, currassows, pheasants and guans.


Does anyone have a link to this Bird Hybrids book?

Originally Posted By: http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=52175
yes the silver pheasant can cross with both the golden pheasant and chickens ; the males are reduced fertility and the females are sterile until the fourth back cross .


It is interesting that the Chicken-Pheasant hybrid, Bato, had feathered legs and so does one on Feathersite.
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