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#117189 - 06/23/18 04:46 PM Are my chickens "Spotty"? as in Spotty Game Bird
PurpleSully Offline
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Registered: 04/19/18
Posts: 24
Loc: United States
I have been trying to figure out the genetics of my chickens and a friend's chickens for close to a year now. No one on the facebook genetics pages have a clue. Today I stumbled on a thread here on the classroom coop about game birds having a sexlinked spotty gene, and I can't help but wonder if this is what my birds have. Is the color/pattern an allele of the barring gene? Does it look different on chickens with slow feather growth vs fast feather growth? Here is a link to some of my birds, and two birds that a friend owns, sired by the same rooster as my birds.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/sullys.island.farm/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1786002538132016

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#117190 - 06/23/18 05:04 PM Re: Are my chickens "Spotty"? as in Spotty Game Bird [Re: PurpleSully]
PurpleSully Offline
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Registered: 04/19/18
Posts: 24
Loc: United States
Here is the photo album of the father of the chickens in my photo album linked in my first post.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/arithmachickacres/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2253435304884350

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#117192 - 06/25/18 06:21 AM Re: Are my chickens "Spotty"? as in Spotty Game Bird [Re: PurpleSully]
KazJaps Offline
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Registered: 08/30/02
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Hi PurpleSully,

I wasn't able to open the first link, but could open the 2nd post link. Interesting change in phenotype from day-old to adult. Aust. pit game spotty males don't usually go through as prominent a faint grey barring juvenile stage like your one, usually only the occasional faint barred feather (& this more common in pullets).

Here's an old thread on the 2017 B alleles paper:
http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=116609

And this thread where B^Sd or similar alleles have segregated in Naked Necks and Araucanas.
http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=116849&page=all

I know in white broilers here in Australia, with test breeding by a breeder, a similar phenotype to gamefowl sex-linked spotty has segregated. And one rooster was similar to your rooster, had a large patch of colour (black, specks of gold) on the saddle, but the tail faint ghost grey barred. No idea if it is the same mutation as in spotty gamefowl. Usually the adult spotties don't have large patches of colour, normally single feathers.

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#117193 - 06/25/18 12:10 PM Re: Are my chickens "Spotty"? as in Spotty Game Bird [Re: KazJaps]
PurpleSully Offline
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Registered: 04/19/18
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KazJaps, thank you. I'll look at those two links you shared.

Maybe some of these link to my birds will work better? I'm new to this forum so I appreciate your patience.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=...mp;l=ec5b356e24

Keeper's chicks from a Black Ameraucana
https://imgur.com/wjJpEE7
https://imgur.com/ouwrQbl

Keeper's chicks from a Black Copper Marans
https://imgur.com/1YXiXGJ
https://imgur.com/DNgMaaO

Keeper's son that a friend owns
https://imgur.com/o6L3r9r
https://imgur.com/PuHboPA
Keeper's daughter that a friend owns
https://imgur.com/HivxsmN

Keeper/BCM bred to a Brown Leghorn produced these
[img]https://imgur.com/a/DzpEDpR[/img]


So far I've only seen heterozygous chicks. The darker ones are boys and the lighter ones are girls.


Edited by PurpleSully (06/25/18 12:40 PM)

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#117194 - 06/25/18 12:57 PM Re: Are my chickens "Spotty"? as in Spotty Game Bird [Re: PurpleSully]
PurpleSully Offline
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Registered: 04/19/18
Posts: 24
Loc: United States
I hope you're able to see the links in my last post as I am very interested to know what you think of my flock's color.

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#117196 - 06/26/18 02:11 AM Re: Are my chickens "Spotty"? as in Spotty Game Bird [Re: PurpleSully]
KazJaps Offline
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Registered: 08/30/02
Posts: 2864
Loc: Australia
Thank you, I can see the imgur links.

Here's the message I get from the Facebook link, maybe you can work out the problem from it:

Facebook message:
Quote:
Sorry, this content isn't available at the moment
The link you followed may have expired, or the Page may only be visible to an audience that you aren't in.

Is it a closed group page? I do know that direct links to Facebook individual images sometimes disappear after a while, don't seem to be permanent (the links anyway).

I'm not sure why your imgur images are not posting here. Maybe you can work it out from this post (on step by step process)?:
http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=116856#Post116856

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Quite strange. I see a lot of similarities with sex-linked spotties, but more colour with yours. They seem in between spotties and extreme dilutes. Although it's hard to know with the extreme dilutes as only one closeup photo in the 2017 paper, this a het/hemi and appears still young (or a pullet), so don't know if it would have changed a lot when an adult.

Link to 2017 paper photos (extreme dilute = B0):
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006665.g001

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#117197 - 06/26/18 05:33 AM Re: Are my chickens "Spotty"? as in Spotty Game Bird [Re: KazJaps]
PurpleSully Offline
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Registered: 04/19/18
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Loc: United States
These links were copied using the instructions you shared. Thank you so much for being patient with me while I learn how to use the forum settings.

~~~~~
'Keeper' X Black Copper Marans





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'Keeper' X Black Ameraucana (carrying mottle)





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'Keeper' X ? ... my friend's pullet
[img]https://i.imgur.com/HivxsmN.png[/img]
'Keeper' X ? ... my friend's cockerel
[img]https://i.imgur.com/o6L3r9r.png[/img][img]https://i.imgur.com/PuHboPA.png[/img]
~~~~~
Keeper/Marans X Brown Leghorn (e+)
[img]https://i.imgur.com/gF1qqDW.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/huBxM7P.png[/img]
These chicks are from the same pairing.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/lYM3uDk.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/sGd0Q4X.png[/img]
~~~~~
Keeper/Marans X Plymouth Barred Rock - center has the gene. Notice the skin color on the necks, legs, and the beak color.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/4svOLAF.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/4kLHbTc.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/e4rEpXI.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/xmttOs1.png[/img]
~~~~~
Tolbunt (ER based gold laced with mottle) X Keeper/Ameraucana
*chick on the left in the first picture is Tolbunt X Gold laced Polish*
[img]https://i.imgur.com/C7Oo4B1.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/VF6CDKM.png[/img]








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#117198 - 06/26/18 05:45 AM Re: Are my chickens "Spotty"? as in Spotty Game Bird [Re: PurpleSully]
PurpleSully Offline
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Registered: 04/19/18
Posts: 24
Loc: United States
~~~~~
'Keeper' X ? ... my friend's pullet

'Keeper' X ? ... my friend's cockerel

~~~~~
Keeper/Marans X Brown Leghorn (e+)


These chicks are from the same pairing.


~~~~~
Keeper/Marans X Plymouth Barred Rock - center has the gene. Notice the skin color on the necks, legs, and the beak color.



[img]https://i.imgur.com/xmttOs1.png[/img]
~~~~~
Tolbunt (ER based gold laced with mottle) X Keeper/Ameraucana
*chick on the left in the first picture is Tolbunt X Gold laced Polish*
[img]https://i.imgur.com/C7Oo4B1.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/VF6CDKM.png[/img]

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#117199 - 06/26/18 05:46 AM Re: Are my chickens "Spotty"? as in Spotty Game Bird [Re: PurpleSully]
PurpleSully Offline
Feather

Registered: 04/19/18
Posts: 24
Loc: United States

~~~~~
Tolbunt (ER based gold laced with mottle) X Keeper/Ameraucana
*chick on the left in the first picture is Tolbunt X Gold laced Polish*


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#117200 - 06/26/18 06:08 AM Re: Are my chickens "Spotty"? as in Spotty Game Bird [Re: PurpleSully]
PurpleSully Offline
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Registered: 04/19/18
Posts: 24
Loc: United States
Not all pictures showed up in the first post, so I put them in subsequent posts.

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