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#15260 - 09/16/04 07:46 AM Re: Soft-shelled egg....AGAIN...Now what?
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The vinegar was my thing. Someone on here suggested it to me when the soft egg thing first started about six weeks ago, so I went out and got some. I'll discontinue it right away.

I'm hoping that she'll continue to do ok now she's getting enough vitamins. Next time I buy a sack of feed, I'll make sure it has plenty of shelf life left in it...

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#15261 - 09/16/04 07:51 AM Re: Soft-shelled egg....AGAIN...Now what?
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TC This isn't anything you have done or could have done, and I am not at all sure there is anything you can do now. Because the birds cannot tell us where it hurts and we do not have diagnostic equipment or gynocologists for our hens, everything is speculation and even experience cannot give the answers.

Thatr gloppy discharge is NOT GOOD, as when she ejected the egg with no shell or soft shell, the entire canal has been contaminated, with no way to flush and antibiotics are unlikely to be sufficient treatment for what possibly has become an infection. When the shell gland fails to function properly, it is just a malfunction at first, but when it continues, it is a red flag for other reproductive problems.

It is not lack of calcium--as all your birds would be having the problem to one degree or another. Not the case.

Now your lethargic pullet is indicating that the problem is probably greater. Unfortunately, over the net, and with no specialist seeing your pullet--if there was one--I can only go from experience. Hens that have recurring problems laying eggs are most often a lost cause. (A hysterectomy might save their life?) It is very sad to us, for every bird is precious and important to us. Not so in the "industry". Elimination is the name of the game. I often write, that with the millions and millions of hens in production, it is not unusual to have some that do not keep up in production, health and nothing we can do about it. We just do not want to have any of those, one or more, but sometimes, we do.

So--because it could now be an infection of the reproductory tract, I would remove her from her pen, so she can be treated??? Or just has a quiet place?? I hate ever to recommend antibiotics for anything not diagnosed by vet, and which one? So, fate will take its course, or if you have a vet who knows anything about chickens, now is the time to see him/her.
On the other hand, she may pass another soft shelled egg?? But restoring her to reproductive health? Not optimistic.

This response is only by experience of many years with some losses and treatments of over the years from various conditions--just from description if symptoms, even with pictures--who can diagnose correctly?? It is always sad to hear of any birds that are not well--we do not expect this and I am sorry. CJR

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#15262 - 09/16/04 08:13 AM Re: Soft-shelled egg....AGAIN...Now what?
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CJR and all-
I thought about infection about 5 minutes ago. I had gone back out to the coop and noticed the 'smell' as I was cleaning up a bit more of her discharge. I have just enough medical knowledge to have saved a ton of money on doctor bills over the years. I helped my Mother with studies when she was in nursing school. I guess you can't help someone cram for exams without picking up a little knowledge yourself.
But now I am rambling because I do not really want to face the truth.
I am not in a position to spend a lot of money or any money for that matter: The spirit is will but the pocketbook is weak. I do live in the country and there is a vet across the street from my work. I will stop in this morning and see if he's experienced with poultry.
I will isolate Belch before I leave. I have made a comfy, quiet place. It's safe and darkened.
I will ask another question...although it seems to have been answered already: Should the vet be unable or unwilling to get involved, is there ANYTHING I can do, try, attempt, take a run at, give it my best shot, etc, etc, etc. I cannot see just throwing my hands in the air and giving up. It is not in my nature and from what I've seen here in The classroom, not in most others either.

I just can't let this be this!

tc

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#15263 - 09/16/04 10:14 AM Re: Soft-shelled egg....AGAIN...Now what?
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For certain infections that will respond to antibiotics, injections work fastest for the start and then given orally, can follow. Amoxicillin is one that is thick, and with a plastic eyedropper, you can place a lot on the TOP of the mouth without worry about choking or spilling, and the bird can swallow without a problem. Good luck, TC, CJR

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#15264 - 09/16/04 02:35 PM Re: Soft-shelled egg....AGAIN...Now what?
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TC

Have you tried to flush the area of the vent that has the discharge to see if you can clear out the passage way to help her

As CJR has stated ... once an infection has started its pretty hard to get control back ... he is also right in saying that the calcium will not fix this ... for a hen laying soft shelled eggs it can assist her, but if one of those eggs has broken inside her, secondaries may have already started happening

I have found that some hens have the same feed and same sun light... but for some reason can't absorb enough calcium into their systems, and I have found that the calcium supplement and vitamin D (cod liver oil) can really help them

I have seen hens go lethargic and then drop due to a calcium drop in their systems

If your hens reproductive system has been compromised with contamination then her chances of survival are slim ... Good luck TC

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#15265 - 09/16/04 08:29 PM Re: Soft-shelled egg....AGAIN...Now what?
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I did isolate Belch this morning. Now let me point out that it was no easy task. I will be adding a new 'Lesson' to my message below.
When I came home this evening Belch was just standing there. She was sort of squatty looking like she was getting ready to do a poo. She's quiet. She has been eating and drinking water. I put a roost in for her, but I think it was too late by the time I figured out the best way to secure it. She is in the back of the 'isolation' area.
There is only one small spot of the 'goo' that I could see.
I am going to check on her now.
Thanks
tc

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#15266 - 09/17/04 09:53 PM Re: Soft-shelled egg....AGAIN...Now what?
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Belch seems to be doing the same as yesterday. She wants out...for sure. I cleaned out the isolation area this morning and there was the leakage along with greenish chunks. I couldn't tell if it was just poo, but I know I haven't seen anything like it with any of The Collective before. She is eating still, and well. And drinking. I haven't found a vet, but did hear of a 'bird place' which I will call in the morning.
Should I continue to keep her isolated? Something tells me no, but I am afraid it is just my heart going out to her.

TC
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#15267 - 09/18/04 07:00 AM Re: Soft-shelled egg....AGAIN...Now what?
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Hi TC

I would still keep her isolated...just in case
The green droppings... could be due to not eating enough and not digesting the bile in the gizzard and its coming out in the droppings

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#15268 - 09/18/04 07:45 AM Re: Soft-shelled egg....AGAIN...Now what?
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This morning Belch is still isolated. She is still eating and drinking, but seems a bit more active. Previously she was hanging out in the back of the isolation area, but came up front today. She actively made an effort to 'get out' and even began to cluck. HOWEVER, it is probably important to note that she has NOT laid an egg or facsimile since last Sunday. One of the benefits of isolation, I suppose, is knowing for sure. But I guess I can't eliminate the possibility she did and ate it, right?
As I was leaving her area, she began to make the loud 'egg annoucement' noise, only it sounded a little more distressed. Is that also a "let me outta here' noise? (and yes, I did return to peak in. No egg.)

Thank you all for 'hand-holding' me through this. I can honestly say I would not have known what to do without you and this site.

TC
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#15269 - 09/19/04 07:45 AM Re: Soft-shelled egg....AGAIN...Now what?
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My girl seems much improved this morning. No leakage to speak of, eating well, drinking and really wanting to go 'home'. I will put her in the coop, but should I wait until tonight and slip her in with the rest? Would this help with re-acceptance?

TC
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