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#25991 - 02/02/08 12:57 AM Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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The genetics calculator can be found at
http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm

A backup is at
http://edelras.nl/Henk69/Overzicht.htm

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Hi,

I'm working on a genetics calculator inspired by Tadkerson's and Kazjap's versions.

While writing the code for a color deducing program I was wondering how some rare genes interact

What would the fenotype be of these:
Id/Is (dun/smokey)
I/? lav/lav
choc/choc Bl/bl+ or Bl/Bl

Any help appreciated wink

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#25992 - 02/02/08 01:01 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Pretty sure that the middle one would be white because dominant white suppresses all eumelanin production (apart from a bit of leakage).
No idea how the other two would turn out.
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#25993 - 02/02/08 01:23 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Good Morning Henk,

wait!;-) Tadkerson has a genetics calculator, also? Please, say where I can find it? I know Kazjap's already (both versions) but not Tadkerson's, hence my question. Sorry to be unable to help you but rather add another question!

I wish you success with your calculator and hope you´ll keep us all updated when it´s finished!

Best greetings,

Joachim

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#25994 - 02/02/08 02:17 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Id/Is (dun/smokey)-Never seen any order of dominance on these, likely to be a greyish brown of varing shades.
I/? lav/lav- I agree with Hen-Gen.
choc/choc Bl/bl+ - again likely to be a greyish brown of varing shades.

choc/choc Bl/Bl - Possibly a mainly white bird with choc splashes or a very pale milk chocolate.

As Is are only in a few hands in the US, and choc likewise in the UK we are not likely to see any test matings.

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#25995 - 02/02/08 06:13 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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OK,
Thanks so far.

I uploaded a first version of my calculator in readable self written javascript code:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruising.html

Careful! See the warning on the screen.
People with old gear think twice.
Keep it simple (not too much different loci).
It needs a lot more work and pictures.

Let me know what you think.

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#25996 - 02/02/08 08:05 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Brilliant work. Could play with that for hours! smile
One question? Do you have the chocolate allele down as a sex linked recessive? Some sources have it as an autosomal recessive?
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#25997 - 02/02/08 08:10 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Yes, I have it as sex linked recessive.
See also the dominant white locus allele Id = dun.
I saw that choc hasn't got any effect. Bug.
Should be fixed now.

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#25998 - 02/02/08 10:00 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Thank you, Henk! CJR

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#25999 - 02/02/08 02:17 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Ii lav lav is very interesting on wheaten and it certainly isn't white. the rooster has very shadowy grey lacing.well mine do anyhow.
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#26000 - 02/02/08 02:28 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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New version of the calculator:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruising.html

You can hide the coarse results (genotypes) to see a summary of the crossing: only colors and percentages.
Pictures in the result are clickable. Not that they are suitable for that, but sometimes the patterns were hard to see.

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#26001 - 02/03/08 06:01 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Combination of two black diluters like sex-linked choc and blue could cause a zonal distribution alike Id and blue. The latter gave a bird with blue at the outer ends: head, feet, primaries, tail looked blue because the dun was located on the flag nearest to the body.
As if the distribution started in the middle of the bird (lowest point of the breast bone), that bird was dun/red coloured and the blue on the outside.

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#26002 - 02/04/08 03:19 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Well I know, it's getting more updates than viewers but it's getting there.

Added functionality:
"Show examples" to fast choose the parent genotypes.
In the result genotypes grid you can choose an F1 animal male/female; this becomes a new parent.
You can call the html page with a limited set of dutch color names like this:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruising.html?haan=koekoek&hen=zwart&warn=EN

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruising.html?haan=zwart&hen=wit

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruising.html?haan=lakenvelder&hen=zilverpatrijs

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#26003 - 02/05/08 12:33 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Please report any bugs.
I am testing with ie7 and new firefox.
Any strange behaviour in layout?
For example the pictures appear behind the lists.
This is how it should look.


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#26004 - 02/05/08 05:29 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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This thing is absolutely fantastic - thank you so much for all the work you must have put into it!

I know so little about genetics, and this will help me learn because you can see everything displayed in front of you.

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#26005 - 02/05/08 08:39 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hello Henk,

this is what it looks like using:

IE 7.0.5730.11
WIN-XP Pro 5.1.2600 SP2
resolution: 1024 x 768

directlinks: http://www.krassesrudel.at/forumbilder/thecoop/henk1.jpg
http://www.krassesrudel.at/forumbilder/thecoop/henk2.jpg

It looks to me as if the images hide the lists. Just realized the pics don´t hide the list but rather push it downwards. Same with Firefox 2.0.0.11, BTW.

Hope this helps and best greetings,

Joachim

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#26006 - 02/05/08 10:13 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hi Joachim,

Yes that's right, it pushes down now. I removed the "layering" because even ie6 messed it up.
Thanks for testing.

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#26007 - 02/05/08 12:27 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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You´re welcome Henk!

Ah, I see. Good work, BTW! The calculator works fine and seems to use only little recources, also it never crashed while I tried sevral combinations, cool. Good done! I´m sure you know that there are still some pics missing, I guess you´re working on these already?;-)

Best greetings and thanks for this great tool!

Joachim

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#26008 - 02/05/08 01:00 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Fixed a few bugs again.
Firefox: choosing an example didn't work

Joachim,
The possibilities are endless!
There are 18 loci
E I Bl S other
5*6*3 *3*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2
*2 male/female
=8847360 pictures if your strict!
got 300 (the most common in my book), and my webspace is already quite full... wink

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#26009 - 02/05/08 01:33 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Blackdotte, actually test matings are being carried out between chocolate and splash wyandottes - choc male over splash female, so the resutant guaranteed choc/_ Bl/bl+ daughters would be indicative of the combination effects of Chocolate and Blue. Should it produce a nice colour, then no doubt a Chocolate male will be used back to the F1 and selection can be made for the new colour which will obviously be 50%.

Cheers, hope you well, Grant

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#26010 - 02/05/08 03:17 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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I would suspect the combination of the Chocolate gene(sex linked recessive) and the Blue gene(incompletly dominant) in chickens, would behave similar to the combination of the Brown gene(sex linked recessive) and the Blue gene(incompletly dominant) in ducks.
The combination of the Blue gene, in the heterozygous state, and the Brown gene(for a genotype of Bl/bl, d/d) produces a creamy blue kind of colour in ducks(where black pigment is present), sort of similar to heterozygous Dun Id/i in chickens.
Blue in the homozygous state in combination with the Brown gene produces the similar Dun colour again, but of a lighter shade.
In ducks it seems that a build up of modifier genes can "tip the balance" of the combined colours to be either more bluer or more browner.
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#26011 - 02/06/08 05:50 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Do you have pictures, you did it on muscovees I guess?

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#26012 - 02/06/08 06:50 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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New version:

You can show per gene (locus) wat the effect is on the appearance of the chicken.
Buttons "Show effect of this Locus"

All images now clickable.

More examples to choose parents from.

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#26013 - 02/06/08 12:02 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hohoho Henk,

do you plan to update it on a daily basis?LOL!

Seriously, do you plan to integrate skin- and leg-color in the future, also? Just an idea. I agree, haven´t thought of the huge amount of pics, BTW.

Best greetings,

Joachim

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#26014 - 02/06/08 03:21 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Sigi,
"Do you have pictures, you did it on muscovees I guess?"

I combined blue and brown on both Muscovies and Mallard derived(Swedish and Runners) ducks.
Unfortunatly I don't have any pics of them on my computor, since when I did my studies on this gene combination I didn't have a digital camara.
However, I'm sure if you did a search around the internet for Lilac(E/E, Bl/bl, d/d) or Lavender(E/E, Bl/Bl, d/d)(Mallard derived breeds) or Blue Fawn(N/n, choc/choc) or Lilac(N/N, choc/choc) Muscovies, some pics should come up.
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#26015 - 02/07/08 12:38 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hi Joachim,

Daily basis I wish. It's more hourly basis now.

Leg, skin and earlobe color? schluchz...

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#26016 - 02/07/08 03:42 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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You can call my webpage with partial genotypes like this:

Syntax male genotype
mgt=<Locusname on my page without -locus>:<genotype of that locus>
the same for female genotype fgt
no spaces or quotes;
alleles in order of dominance eg E/ER not: ER/E (tip: see how they are represented in the lists on the page).

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruising.html?mgt=E:E/e+&fgt=E:E/e+

Or call the page with a common dutch fenotype first like this:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruising.html?haan=blauw&mgt=E:E/e+&hen=dominantwit&fgt=E:E/e+

Purpose heterozygote parents.

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#26017 - 02/07/08 08:47 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Henk:

Your calculator is great!
Pictures are worth 1000 words.
What an incredible amount of work you've put into it!
The poultry world should thank you, very much for your work. : )

Oh- I'm using Firefox, and everything works fine.
Again, a Very neat site.

Raven

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#26018 - 02/12/08 03:47 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hi All,

There is a new way of calling the Chicken Calculator by choosing english color names in this little portal:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/overzicht.htm#kipcalculator

The lists are limited but expanding soon.

The rest of the page is only my hypotheses about chicken patterns. Ignore it wink

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#26019 - 02/13/08 06:47 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Update:

The calculator now supports strict linkage of the following gene groups:
Db-Pg-Ml
B-S (sex linked chocolate not included)

Of course you can choose to have linkage.
No crossing over percentages.
Maybe you could do both (with and without linkage) and take the average... wink

Further improvements:
You can adjust the size of the pictures.
You can show all gene effects at once.
There are more gender-specific pictures in the most common colors (try e-locus alleles).
The ">" symbol in the locus effect collapses/hides the effect.
The color only summary ("hide genotypes") now also shows gender (cockerels and pullets)

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#26020 - 02/14/08 06:57 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Update:

Performance improvement!
Complex crosses should take 1/10 th of time to calculate now. Still 100% CPU though... wink

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#26021 - 02/16/08 08:00 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Update:

The genetics calculator can be simply embedded now in your own webpages.
See these webpages for the code:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisembed.html

This gives the preformatted result as in my own calculator-page.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisembedarray.html

This gives the result as an array with the results that can be formatted by yourself.

In the 2 textfields you can put partial genotypes in this form:

<Locus>:<allele>/<allele>,<Locus>:<allele>/<allele>
etc...

ommit trailing comma.

The rest of the genotype is assumed wildtype.

See a few posts back for tips.

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#26022 - 02/19/08 08:35 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Update,

Removed linkage between B and S because both loci segregate independantly.

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#26023 - 02/24/08 11:13 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Update,

The colorlist portal of the calculator is now in dutch, english and new: german.
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/overzicht.htm#kipcalculator

weitersagen...

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#26024 - 02/26/08 06:29 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Update,

Help hints and links added (english).
Extended the number of example colors.

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#26025 - 02/26/08 01:40 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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You are sooooooooo good!!!!

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#26026 - 02/26/08 04:56 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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As far as I am concerned, this is pure Genious! CJR

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#26027 - 02/27/08 09:01 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Two content viewers!

That deserves a new feature:
Punnett square representation in both calculators (chicken and pigeon).

I have a separate webpage how you can create your own punnett squares independant of the chicken calculator.
E.g. for Biology class... wink

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruismatrix.html

Just remove the chickencode if it bothers you.

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#26028 - 02/27/08 10:34 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Can't you ever stop surprising us with all these features that goes beyond everyones imagination? This is such a luxury! I made an appointment with Ms. Vogelaar, in two weeks I'm going to write an article about the calculator, will make screenshots, she asked you too but you are too busy, then its going to be published in Aviculture Europe, digital magazine for the fancy. Yes, also an English version of that magazine.
You 'may' reed it before I send it to the mag, lol
You're gonna be world famous in the backyards!!!

Going to look at it now!
THANK YOU HENK!!!!

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#26029 - 02/28/08 12:58 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Well, I didn't say that I was too busy.
Maybe Ms Vogelaar hopes that I would put all my time in improving it before the article... wink

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#26030 - 03/26/08 02:16 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Update.

Sometimes you need to do crossings simultaneously, parallel.
Now I have build in a new feature to facilitate:
You can select multiple crosslings to use in later crossings.

Example:
e+e+ co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ bl+bl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+b+ s+s+ Choc+Choc+
Gender = Male, Ratio = 1/2 = 50%, minimum of animals to breed: 2
zwart getekend goud patrijs | black patterned gold duckwing
Continue with this Male | Select for later crossings

Later you can recall this animal by the button "Recall" next to "Show examples"

New also: French version of the calculator
Calculateur de Poules with help of Alice Maurisot
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisingfra.html

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#26031 - 04/03/08 01:13 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Yes, I am still working on it.

There is a german version now.
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisingde.html

A new feature for boards like this.

By the recall button you generate a hyperlink to a new window for each cross you did that session eg "cross 1".
You can add that page to your favorites, don't forget to rename.
Next to that is new hyperlink "forum language", use that and then you can copy and paste the result directly in a topic like this.
Use with care.

example BLUE * BLUE:
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisforumtaal.html?mgt=E:E/E,Bl:Bl/bl+,S:S/S&fgt=E:E/E,Bl:Bl/bl+,S:S/-


Hanen/Cockerels: Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
vuilwit unicolor
splash unicolor



Hennen/Pullets: Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
vuilwit unicolor
splash unicolor



Hanen/Cockerels: Ratio = 2/8 = 25%, minimum of animals to breed: 4
blauw unicolor
blue unicolor



Hennen/Pullets: Ratio = 2/8 = 25%, minimum of animals to breed: 4
blauw unicolor
blue unicolor



Hanen/Cockerels: Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
zwart unicolor
black unicolor



Hennen/Pullets: Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
zwart unicolor
black unicolor

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#26032 - 04/09/08 12:37 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
Karen Offline
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Henk69 - I just wanted to say a very heart felt thank you!!

What a wonderful tool. To see the results really makes an impact.

I use a dominant like "Dominant Dilute or Blue" as a stand in for the rumpless and tufted genes so I can factor them in as well.

I added a desk top short cut to my computer so I can go directly to your calculator.

I guess I'm not as computer literate as I thought I was. What do you mean by "embedded in your own webpages"? I assume that's different from a link?

Karen
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#26033 - 04/09/08 01:20 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Yes it's different from a link. It means you could get the results back in your own webpage.

On your misuse of Dominant alleles... wink
You could use the Punnett Square generator page for additional genes.
You have to type everything correctly and the additional genes are not evaluated in the fenotype.

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#26034 - 04/11/08 04:54 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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I wanted to say "Thank you" as well.

I have been getting Blue from one of my Dutch pens which I didn't understand, but having put the parents into your calculator I have discovered that I should expect 50% of the chicks to be Blue!

I have also used it to find out what I should breed these Blues to in the next generation.
Your calculator is WONDERFUL!

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#26035 - 04/11/08 05:13 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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You got 50% blues out of 2 non blue parents?

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#26036 - 04/13/08 09:07 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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This shows how to embed the chicken calculator:
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/overzicht.htm#embedcalculator

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#26037 - 04/26/08 01:30 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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I revised the resulting phenotypes:

When splash Bl/Bl the bird will be white even if also lavender lav/lav or dun. Also blue and dun comnbined become "khaki?".
When Co, Pg and Ml are present, in at least one dose each, the bird will be some form of laced. Previously it could become quail.

Pictures added for double laced etc...

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#26038 - 04/29/08 10:08 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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There is an alternative chicken calculator now,
the Chicken Composer Calculator:
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruiskipkiezer.html

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#26039 - 05/01/08 04:04 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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What is that Composer Calculator? What's the purpose?
Sigi

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#26040 - 05/01/08 04:55 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hi Sigs,

Did you develop a fear of hyperlinks? wink

On the dutch forum I got a lot of complaints that they didn't get the loci/gene stuff.
Therefor Pieter de Bruyne and I developed the portal where one can choose from colornames.
Problem here is that such a colorlist is never complete and that there will always be different colornames for one color.

That's why I made the composer. You can choose the groundcolor, the black dilution/patterncolor and the (most common) patterns separately.
As you might remember the calculator makes a full circle now because this concept was the very first version/precursor of this calculator-project: "de kipkiezer" (chicken chooser).
One could choose the 3 aspects and you got a picture of the result. Purpose then: show the color possibilties for a chicken.

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#26041 - 05/02/08 03:43 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Thanks Henk, I'm stupid and lazy or in other words selective intelligent but that's a rare condition, lol

Let those folks read my booklet and they will understand all.
Guess they're lazy and stupid too, ha ha ha (the dalay lama says).

kiss, kiss

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#26042 - 05/03/08 12:59 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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You mean "east indian" ... (sorry folks, dutch insider humor)

Is it available again?

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#26043 - 05/03/08 02:53 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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'east indian' is fake deaf just because it suits you. On the internet reading is hearing and writing is speaking. Like capitals are shouting.

Yes I printed a small run of 10 copies and will print a larger one (50) next or over-next week.

Working on the English language website chickencolours.com that will be ready in a few weeks (paypal, ordering forms etc) on which the English eBook will be available. Later the resellers addresses will be found on it too from the real printed book. Bought a new super duper laptop (4 Gb memory - HP Pavilion dv9000 its faster than my Mac G5!) for distributing serialnumbers and activation keys (must be processed by software real time) because the eBook is secured and copy protected.

I don't know when the printed English book is available in Aus, US and UK, perhaps end of the Summer. I have to find distribution addresses but can start with that when chickencolours.com in online to show where its all about.
There's a special page about the chicken colour calculator with a link in both books. So you keep it working!
Sigi

PS perhaps its interesting to start advertisements on that site because when you generate too much traffic your host will start to grumble, lol

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#26044 - 05/03/08 03:33 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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The space on the page is cramped as it is already... wink

Any tips for a free counter without pop-ups and other disadvantages?

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#26045 - 05/03/08 09:03 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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I would like the Dutch copy, but will be patient for the English edition. This is excitement, suspense, and anticipation!! CJR

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#26046 - 05/03/08 09:54 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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smile Me too - I'm just hanging around waiting for the english printed version!

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#26047 - 05/12/08 06:15 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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I'm so happy to learn about chickencolours.com, congratulations Sigi. I've been longing for your book for some months now, it's good to know that everything is falling into place to distribute your book to as many chicken fanciers in the world as possible. The English version sounds very attractive, according to the advertisement on tuinvee.nl smile
And Henk, I'm still available if you need to update anything in the French parts of your calculator. I really appreciate the latest improvements, by the way. wink

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#26048 - 05/12/08 11:43 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Thank you, Alice smile

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#26049 - 05/27/08 11:07 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Update,

Added a new feature to the chicken composer calculator.
There are browse buttons for rooster and hen.
When you move through the first 2 lists (ground color and patterncolor) the pictures, that are revealed by the browse button and represent the patterns in the third list, should change. Might not perform well. Click picture to choose.

I am still not happy by the way that people new to our field can't find their colors of interest...

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#26050 - 06/21/08 01:41 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Update once more,

Good news for complex calculations:
I did some performance tuning, things go faster now.
Plus: there is a progress indication (updates when you get the alert that asks if you want to continue). Not very luxurious but it might help.

Golden tip for FIREFOX users:
You can increase the maximum script runtime (everytime it is passed you get the alert that asks if you want to continue...) by typing in the address:
about:config
then in the filter field enter: max
You can change the value for dom.max_script_run_time from 10 seconds to 120 or so.
Close browser. Restart browser. Done.

For Internet Explorer see:
http://www.beatingbonuses.com/scriptwarning.htm

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#26051 - 06/22/08 03:53 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Update,

Now you can enter fuzzy color descriptions in english as well eg.:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruising.html?m=dunbrown&f=bluewheaten

Fuzzy is fuzzy, so use bar instead of barRED... wink

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#26052 - 06/23/08 04:28 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Tip for internet explorer users to increase maximum script run time:

http://www.beatingbonuses.com/scriptwarning.htm

(Restart computer)

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#26053 - 06/24/08 03:26 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Fuzzy logic chicken calculator, simple to embed:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisfuzz.html

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#26054 - 06/25/08 03:26 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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What is fuzzy here?

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#26055 - 06/30/08 04:18 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Fuzzy means no exact match.
It tries to guess what color you mean by analyzing words in the color you submit.

The following is VERY experimental (still brooding on it):
Chicken Crossing-Over Calculator.
Crossing-over percentages are calculated for the linked genes Db-Ml-Pg.
This is costly because at least 6 loci always differ. All crossing over products are shown instead of just all possible genotypes. These can be hidden.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisingCO.html

Suggestions welcome... wink

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#26056 - 06/30/08 09:13 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Henk, now I know what fuzzy means here, thank you.
This crossing over is going beyond my simple brain, I don't know how to fill in the pairs. Or is it the same as the normal calculator and it calculates extra the linkages?
Will try it later. You are a mathematician aren't you?

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#26057 - 06/30/08 12:45 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Yes it is quite complex but the clue is that for the 3 genepairs Db Ml and Pg...
Db/db+: Db lies on the "first" chromosome and db+ on the "second".
db+/Db: db+ lies on the first chromosome and Db on the second.
also for
Ml/ml+
ml+/Ml
Pg/pg+
pg+/Pg
Thus a linkage can be set.
It is also shown below the 3 genepairs.

No, I am a biologist/biochemist and sofware engineer. wink

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#26058 - 07/02/08 07:38 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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YOU ARE SUPER!! AND THIS CALCULATOR IS SUPER FOR THE FANCY! Hope you don't have to upgrade your web package for generating too much traffic but I yell it around everywhere it exists!
You should be aware this is a part of chicken genetics history for the fancy, lots or things are changing, I guess we create a new dimension in the hobby, lol

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#26059 - 07/02/08 07:45 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Somebody please help me out here. If I wanted to see what a black copper Marans male x wheaten Marans female cross would give, how do I put that information into the calculator? I know very little about poultry genetics.
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#26060 - 07/02/08 08:23 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Problem understood...

You can of course ask it on this board and let me preproduce a direct link for you:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisingCO.html?mgt=E:ER/ER,Mh:Mh/Mh&fgt=E:eWh/eWh

Your cross is not involving crossing-over so better use:
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruising.html?mgt=E:ER/ER,Mh:Mh/Mh&fgt=E:eWh/eWh

OR you can go to the help-page / colorlist portal:
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/overzicht.htm

There you can
1. choose from a (incomplete) list of colornames
or
2. compose your chickens in 3 steps each (groundcolor, patterncolor, patternkind).
Both methods are illustrated.
Links are generated to the various (language) calculators.
3. read about basics etc...

OR you can use the fuzzy logic calculator... :
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisfuzz.html

Type in blackcopper and wheaten.
The links are updated or you can calculate directly.

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#26061 - 07/02/08 08:40 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Thanks, Henk.
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#26062 - 07/25/08 08:28 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hi All,

Soon I will "publish" a wizard with which anyone can make his own genetic calculator.

Comb Calculator Demo

You can provide all information to make your own calculator. You can even illustrate it with your own pics.
Upload in one internet folder and name the pictures as the outcome without spaces.
Try the Comb Calculator Demo. The wizard-page will be on line soon.
Meanwhile you can edit the querystring that contains the info by hand and save it by adding it to your favorites. No typo's!

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#26063 - 07/26/08 12:49 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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The wizard is ready or at least usable.

Please report any instability of the overview page (hyperlink previous post).

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#26064 - 07/26/08 04:41 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Fun! I'll give it a try, I can make now a combined leg colour, leg length, comb, feather structure, polydactyly, dwarfism, beard, crest, foot feathers etc etc etc calculator?

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#26065 - 07/27/08 02:44 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Yes you can.
I would advice to do the genes one by one and test them in between.
The querystring should hold up to 2000+ characters but I don't know if the Macintosh browser knows that... wink

If you are done send me the result!

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#26066 - 07/27/08 03:02 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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I've Safari, Firefox and a windows laptop with Vista so Explorer but that's a stupid browser so Firefox on the laptop too.
Firefox would be best? It's depending on the site, I switch a lot between Safari and Firefox.

Collecting the genes now.

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#26067 - 07/27/08 04:40 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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All browsers should work.

Firefox however has a bug concerning my calculators.
On iexplorer you click on the arrow of your dropdownselect (listbox) and it opens.
In firefox if you releas the mousebutton the focus returns to the first dropdownselect and the other lists close shut.
Workaround is to not release the mouse button when wandering down the dropdownlist of options.
Other words: drag the mousepointer to the desired option, then release mouse button to choose.

You can work with keyboard navigation (TAB and SHIFT TAB and arrows up and down) but while iexplorer changes everything immediately, Firefox waits untill you navigate away from the dropdownselect to change colordescription and picture and such.

Good luck.

Yes it poured!

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#26068 - 07/28/08 04:03 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hi All,

There is an extendible version of the chickencalculator now.
If Sigi is finished with her experiment she can plug it into its big brother.

Everyone can add their genes of interest, eartufts beards crests etc...!

Same link as before.
I made a little demo with the comb calculator plugged in.

Did I mention the guinea fowl, peacock and turkey calculators already?

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#26069 - 07/29/08 02:51 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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i have not read the intervening pages but love sigi's storms.

i live in the tropics and know all about stupid chooks and storms. the first few storms you have to supervise them and you can expect to get drenched yourself. you hope you are home for these. some birds learn faster than others. some you can sit and watch from a window; others you cannot, like a hen with chickens and the water creeps up around her; or when birds shelter under the car and the water gets deeper and deeper. the problem is they do not recognize you in your wet weather gear or dripping wet and they run. you can revive the chickens if you get to them on time.

all is fun i suppose. a couple of years ago we had a catagory 4 cyclone go through and could only watch. things turned out ok in the end, but there was no bringing chooks in to dry or protection as it was way too dangerous and we were close to loosing our roof and struggling to secure windows shut and keep things dry, also we were without power for 2 weeks and one has to think of the long term health situation. however, the weather was warm--if not damp--and looking back on it things could have been very much worse.

generally you are constantly planning for these events in your head.

k

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#26070 - 07/30/08 08:28 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Please do not report climate stories here.
I intend to keep this subject on updates about my genetic calculator.

Like this one:
I made a new flexmodule with a totally different lay-out (a bit like the famous Rasek calculators) which can be altered or constructed by everyone like the first.
Furthermore you do not have to specify a genotype exactly/completely anymore. You can use wildcard.

Who can predict the next step? wink

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#26071 - 07/31/08 12:55 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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It's a quickstep.

I rebuilt the logic of the old chicken calculator and hooked it up with the new layout and wildcard module.

So now you can:
Overcome your dropdown list fobia.
Use the old logic.
Use wildcards.
Add new genes.
Hide the pictures. wink

O, and I removed the dutch colordescriptions.
As an insentive... wink

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/overzicht.htm#wildcardcalculator

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#26072 - 08/01/08 05:06 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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I almost maxed the querystring limitations with the wildcard version myself.
You can hardly add 2 genes.
Must brood on that one.

Well there should be room for 7 new genes now.
If you remove a few old ones even more.

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#26073 - 09/05/08 01:52 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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I haven't been able to upload anything for a good week, but that is fixed now so visit my overview page to see all 30+ species calculators.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/overzicht.htm#othercalculator

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#26074 - 09/18/08 01:58 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hi,

Just finished species 42.

You can construct your own calculator INCLUDING crossing over (CO) frequencies now.
Demos added for cockatiel, eastern rosella, budgerigar.

Each flexable calculator (except the CO-version) is switchable between 4 layouts.

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#26075 - 10/02/08 01:27 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Little update,

With the chicken plug-in calculator you can make a little report about your crossings now.
For those who want to document their breeding plans.

For instance:
Make a cross, pick an animal from the F1, backcross to parent, pick an F2 male and female, perform another cross.
Then press the hyperlink "Crossings Report" to the upper right.
"Hide" whatever you don't need.
Press hyperlink "new window (HTML-code)".
A new window should pop up (with a loading image message showing. Ignore that message).
Do a view source for the HTML code.
Copy and paste into a html-file,
edit, save, publish/upload.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/overzicht.htm#plugincalculator

Main difference with the original chicken calculator: You can add genes.
Furthermore it has "Explain ..."-links instead of the original picture examples.

Let me know if I can add something.

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#26076 - 10/05/08 05:38 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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As a bonus I added most non color genes tot the plug-in calculator myself. Sorry for the delay... wink

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#26077 - 10/24/08 02:13 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Yet another chicken plug-in calculator module. But heavily featured.
This one also has:
Browse-functionality (as in composer calculator)
Tab-panes (less scrolling)
Resulting genotypes separated by gender.
Sortable summary grid
Tree-view (for easier analyzing complex crossings with a lot of different genotypes)
Gene info.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/overzicht.htm#pluginTree

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#26078 - 12/20/08 02:10 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hi again,

On special request: italian version of the chicken calculator
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisingIT.html

Problem, my italian is even worse (say non existent) than my french, but I had help
http://zijdehoenders.googlepages.com/t&dcreating

Due to the way the chickencalculator is programmed the human grammar will never be perfect so sometimes words are switched.
If you really hit nonsense please feedback... wink

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#26079 - 03/10/09 02:54 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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New entry point, testing stage:
http://www.edelras.nl/COI/kip.html

Just drag a color on top of a chickenpart and see what happens.

Standing by for questions...

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#26080 - 06/16/09 06:49 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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For most flexible calculator modules you can add genes now on the fly (no wizard needed).

IMPORTANT:

I will be moving the chicken calculator and all my other webpages to a new webspace soon. Prepare to RE-BOOKMARK...

There is already a backup at http://edelras.nl/Henk69/Overzicht.htm

Since most bugs are eliminated you could also copy the necessary html-pages and javascript modules to your own webspace or harddisk.

All chicken pictures can be downloaded at
http://edelras.nl/kipcalculator.zip

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#26081 - 06/17/09 02:57 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Will there be the link on the old address.
The calculator is mentioned in the book!

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#26082 - 06/17/09 03:26 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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OK, the new webspace is available at

http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm

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#26083 - 06/17/09 03:33 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sigi:
Will there be the link on the old address.
The calculator is mentioned in the book!
The old webspace has not yet been cancelled and (very) maybe I won't do that at all.
I will give a note to re-bookmark for at least half a year.
Very unfortunate, but they leave me no choice.
I only get 22 Mb webspace and they are very incompetent for too much money.
Don't forget your links on chickencolours.com and tuinvee.nl

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#26084 - 07/20/09 01:04 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hi,

On the overview page I made a little introduction/overview of chicken color genetics:
http://kippenjungle.nl/basisEN.htm#kipkleurEN

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#26085 - 07/25/09 06:15 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Oops,

Major bugs in the crossing over chicken calculator fixed.

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#26086 - 08/30/09 09:07 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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Hi,

I improved the crossing over chicken calculator.
It has a color code visualisation of how the linked genes are affected by crossing over.
Percentages and comments/hint texts in the Punnett square plus a default filter that only shows genes that are not set to wildtype.
This filter is also built in the other chicken calculators' punnett squares.

Due to many complaints about the original chicken calculator being dutch or german or not english I removed/hid the dutch text as far as possible.

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#26087 - 12/16/09 03:13 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator
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I didn't tell you about this new approach to the chicken calculator yet.
This one is a "determination table" asking question by question about the parent chickens' genotype that you want to cross and predict the outcome of.
It is a lengthy expedition hence I call it "Chicken Quest".
I borrowed some pictures from Kazjap's genetic website and Feathersite to illustrate.
Hope you like it and note that there is room for improvement (as always).

http://kippenjungle.nl/determinator/chickenquest.php?mgt=&fgt=

Any comment welcome.

For the die hards. You are able to make a determination table yourself on line on any subject. If you want to make additional keys, eg about legg color or egg shell color, just yell... wink

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#88341 - 02/25/10 01:55 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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I resisted a long time, but now I finally made a chicken breed database to do some fun stuff with.

The first application enables you to pick two parents of said breeds and plug them into the new chicken calculator. I also submitted some breed specific colors like Sussex light. If no color is listed, you can go to the browse tabpages to select one.

http://kippenjungle.nl/breeds/crossbreeds.html

The second application is a so called breed selector. This came up on another chicken board. I hacked into the kippenencyclopedie wiki that has a lot of beautiful pictures of the breeds in most standard and new colors.

http://kippenjungle.nl/breeds/selectbreeds.html

Give it a spin and tell me what you think. wink

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#92547 - 11/10/10 05:04 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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Hi,

I am working on a new generation of genetic calculators.
Personal goal was to write in object oriented manner, flexible, unlimited.
Also I want to hook these pages into my database at kippenjungle for storage of all the (eg. your personal) complex settings, animal pool (for coefficient of inbreeding) etc...
Once you have an account you can make your own (versions of) calculators, store your actual calculations, animals.
These are future features.

This demo is not very fine tuned on anything but implements:
Chicken colorgenes
CO => Crossing-Over of Db-Ml-Pg
WC => Wildcards (finally, but still don't like 'm wink )
COI=> Coefficient of Inbreeding plus Pedigree
(And no stupid pictures or punnet squares)

http://kippenjungle.nl/CCOOP/chickenCOWCCOI.html

Due to Crossing-over it is not too fast on simple crosses.
Hope you like where I want to go.

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#92731 - 11/17/10 07:20 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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Of course, I like smile

So, is the final version going to be like the COI pedigree log-in ones, where the user can store all details in your database? I.e., in the final version, I could store COI, pedigrees with individual bird genotypes, over generations? But I imagine it will it be more automated than the php COI one, ie store calculation details, COI, pedigrees, genotypes from running this new genetics calculator? That would be a great tool for keeping track of COI, bird genotypes (& animal pool), pedigrees, with breeding programs.

Great idea wink

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#92735 - 11/17/10 08:05 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: KazJaps]
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For now I made a version that uses cookies to remember your animal data. Unfortunately cookies are not too persistent these days.

http://kippenjungle.nl/CCOOP/chickenCK.html

Before I start to store everything, the datamodel must be a bit more mature. But I tend to use database rather than cookies, except for the real ones.


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#92736 - 11/17/10 09:28 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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Too right. You can dunk a database in your mug of tea and its still inedible!
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#92749 - 11/17/10 04:25 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Hen-Gen]
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Originally Posted By: Hen-Gen
Too right. You can dunk a database in your mug of tea and its still inedible!


Lol, yes that must be why a cookie doesn't last long enough - "delicious delicacies" (especially "Magic Cookies").

Thanks Henk for the explanation. I wonder, are you thinking of multiple log-ins, say for when someone wants to store multiple breeding program pedigrees (with genetics calculations, genotypes, COI, etc). I.e., unique identifier for specific breedings?

Very ambitious project wink

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#92755 - 11/18/10 12:28 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: KazJaps]
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Well, the pedigrees wouldn't mix anyway. The login would be on email address, true ones this time (activation etc...)
So if you have 2 or more email addresses you would be fine.

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#94931 - 03/03/11 11:39 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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I added the following features to CCOOP:

customizable CSS stylesheet, colors etc...
customizable popup function.
For an example see:
http://kippenjungle.nl/CCOOP/calculator.php?calcId=9&WC=N&CO=N&COI=Y&CK=N

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#95467 - 04/01/11 10:49 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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The chicken calculator had its 100000th visitor today... smile

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#95494 - 04/02/11 06:04 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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Congratulations! It must have cost you a fortune to send all the invitations smile

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#95508 - 04/02/11 08:04 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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Originally Posted By: Henk69
The chicken calculator had its 100000th visitor today... smile


It might have been me. Does the 100000th visitor get a prize? smile

Congrats....

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#95553 - 04/05/11 03:13 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: KazJaps]
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Originally Posted By: KazJaps
Originally Posted By: Henk69
The chicken calculator had its 100000th visitor today... smile


It might have been me. Does the 100000th visitor get a prize? smile

Congrats....


The prize was: an accurate outcome. 100% garantueed. Only that time... wink

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#100417 - 11/30/11 12:34 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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This is a test.


Edited by Henk69 (12/07/11 07:54 AM)

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#100418 - 11/30/11 01:15 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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and it works!

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#100564 - 12/07/11 07:45 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Piet]
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Edited by Henk69 (12/07/11 07:47 AM)

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#100565 - 12/07/11 07:52 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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Masterbrains. Thanks for all your publicly accessable work which give us the easy to calculate future prognoses.

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#109715 - 05/27/13 06:52 PM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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Sorry I'm late to this party.

Is there an open source version of this calculator?

I'm a software engineer/chicken breeder and would love to participate in such an effort.

Thanks,

S

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#109721 - 05/28/13 01:14 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: ssteinerX]
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Finally some competition... wink

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#117511 - 03/15/20 01:42 AM Re: Uncommon epistatics/dominance ,Genetics Calculator [Re: Henk69]
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