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#30185 - 07/10/08 12:34 PM Re: Dog genetics forum?something like this
Seedy Seeds Offline
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:rolleyes: My main interest is in " creative genetics " itself . this is agreat forum for poultry . gardenweb has one called hybrids that is great for plants , I am also interested in all other aspects of genetics including breeding pets , livestock , they are all interrelated and the same principles apply in many cases. I would like to know what can be done before I decide what to do .
As for unwanted culls "if you can not drown do not breed". There are new breeds starting up all the time so mine would be just one more .I could use help in finding: hog breeders forums,cattle breeders forums , sheep breeders forums ,goat breeders forums or any others wink Thank You All

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#30186 - 07/11/08 12:19 AM Re: Dog genetics forum?something like this
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Here's my new Cattle Coat Color Calculator:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisingkoe.html

http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisingkoe2.html

I know of a dutch cattle breeders forum. Dutch is a worthwhile language these days.

If you want a biiig dog: cross with the (polar) wolf. The wolf is bigger than most, if not all it's domestic breeds.

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#30187 - 07/11/08 11:11 AM Re: Dog genetics forum?something like this
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Thank you for all your help. how tall is this wolf ? there is a great dane that is 42 inches high at the shoulder and I think there was a St Bernard that was over 300 pounds . I may resort to wild breeds but wild crossbreeds are outlawed in some states so it would be a last resort . There is also a wild dog called the Dhole that can jump 18 feet but i am told that they can never be tamed . eek

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#30188 - 07/11/08 11:12 AM Re: Dog genetics forum?something like this
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I have been using your Dog Calculator Henk - it is very good, but I can't work out how I mated an Isabella to a Wolfgrey and got two Black & Whites, one Dark Grey and three Saddlebacks?

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#30189 - 07/12/08 01:28 AM Re: Dog genetics forum?something like this
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Volklet,

heterozygotes is the answer.
irish spotting s^i is recessive,
saddle a^s is recessive to wolfgrey a^w
Dominant black K can hide the permissive wildtype allele k.

Like this:
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/kruisingHond2.html?mgt=A:a^s/a^s,B:b/b,D:d/d,K:K/k,S:S/s^i&fgt=A:a^w/a^s,S:S/s^i

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#30190 - 07/29/08 09:30 AM Re: Dog genetics forum?something like this
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:rolleyes: I did find in a P.B.S. program on dog genetics that a genetist in Russia was asked by fur farmers to help them breed a tamer strain of foxes . He succeeded ;but at the 9th or 10th generations of breeding from only the tamest in each generation, the ears flopped down the colors and coat patterns changed (including a dalmation type pattern), and they began to bark (not a fox trait ) this was because the gene for tameness was close to the gene for these other traits .this may be why the "Giant White Sully" chicken was also so aggressive .THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP.

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#30191 - 07/29/08 11:15 AM Re: Dog genetics forum?something like this
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I think he crossed with little dogs...

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#30192 - 07/30/08 12:46 AM Re: Dog genetics forum?something like this
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I though the Irish wolf dog is the biggest.


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#30193 - 08/04/08 08:36 AM Re: Dog genetics forum?something like this
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just how big is the polar wolf ? height and weight please eek

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#30194 - 08/05/08 01:23 AM Re: Dog genetics forum?something like this
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The largest of approximately 41 wild species of canids, gray wolves vary in size based primarily on geographic locality, with southern populations generally smaller than northern populations. Total body length, from tip of the nose to tip of the tail, is from 1000 to 1300 mm in males, and 870 to 1170 mm in females. Tail length ranges between 350 to 520 mm. Males can weigh from 30 to 80 kg, with an average of 55 kg, females can weigh from 23 to 55 kg, with an average of 45 kg. Height (measured from base of paws to shoulder) generally ranges from 60 to 90 cm.

see: http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Canis_lupus.html

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