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#47552 - 02/11/03 03:25 PM When to stop turning eggs?
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My eggs will have been in the incubator for 21 days on friday. How many days should I give them till they hatch without turning them. I have seen 2-4 days but which really gives the best hatch rate? On which day should I stop turning them>?

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#47553 - 02/11/03 03:56 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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The claim in print is that you can stop turning the eggs at day 14 of incubation without a noticable decrease in hatch. Most people stop turning chicken eggs at day 18. This is about when the mother hen stops turning the eggs and goes into her zombie mode.

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#47554 - 02/11/03 06:36 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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I agree with the 18th day. Can anyone tell me why ? I have continued the turning through out the hatch without any apparent affects on hatching time or chick health. Other than the possibility of chicks getting caught in the turning mechanism, why do we stop ? confused confused
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#47555 - 02/11/03 08:29 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Bill, I could say that it is so that the chick can get himself situated in a certain htaching position. I've noticed that most of my eggs pip on the upper half of the egg. But then I don't really know if that is the case afterall.

The reason why you should stop on day 18 is basically because you can. I bet that people who turn the egg by hand are happy to stop on day 15. Less care, less time commitment.

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#47556 - 02/11/03 11:46 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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It is important to turn eggs through day 14 to ensure the proper development of the chorio-allantoic membrane (which nourishes the chicken). The membrane will NOT develop properly if the egg is not turned from day 2 thru 14. There are quite a few papers establishing this fact over the last 12 ot 15 years. Hurnik has been quite involved in this work as has the International Fertility Research Group of the World's Poultry Science Association.

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#47557 - 02/12/03 03:11 AM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Caveny and Aram both have good points. I would add that since the incubator should be closed and kept closed on the 18th day, that would be another reason for stopping the turning of eggs at that time. I wish I could trust that the 14th day is a good stopping point. When you're hand-turning 400+ eggs 2-3 times a day, it becomes, at times, tedious. I find myself talking to the eggs and verbally 'encouraging' the chicks (when no-one is around!). It becomes really boring when both incubators will be running. Does that 3day period before hatching hold true for all species of barnyard fowl?

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#47558 - 02/12/03 08:49 AM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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We routinely transfer our eggs from the setter to the hatchers at 14 days. There does not seem to be any decrease in hatchability. Go ahead and stop turning at 14 days. It will be ok!

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#47559 - 02/12/03 11:52 AM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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My chicks are supposed to hatch late on friday but I took the egg turner out today (wednesday). Do you think that this will affect the hatch at all?
Also, when I took the egg turner out the temperature skyrocketed to about 108 but only a couple minutes. This wont affect the hatch rate, will it? I didnt touch the dial that increases the temperature at all. Has anyone else had this happen to them before? Ooh its a Little Giant Incubator. The only logical reason I could think of is because of the magnetic field from the magnets in the egg turner motor.

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#47560 - 02/12/03 02:07 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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I had the temp go real high one night and all was well. I thought they were cooked.

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#47561 - 02/12/03 02:51 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Don't worry, I've had that happen to little giant too. I decreased the temperature, but then it was too low, so I had to increase it. It is a big finiky, but I've never had problems. Just keep an eye on it. This late in incubation temperature differences are not as detrimental as at first.

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#47562 - 02/13/03 05:29 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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I never stopped to think that people are turning eggs by hand. I've always had an automatic turner. All chicks pip at the larger end of the egg, thats where there head is - always, next to the air cell. I am not suggesting anyone continue turning, just trying to find out the reason everyone recommends stopping, there has to be something. I have done both, and to continue turning through the hatching process doesn't seem to adversly affect the chicks at all.
Big Boy - talking to the eggs WORKS Something else I believe works is, once the first chicks hatches, the rest seem to come out faster. Do they think they are missing out on all the fun ? laugh
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#47563 - 02/13/03 06:43 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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This is my first time hatching eggs in an incubator and I never knew before how long to expect a chick to take come out of its eggs. Yesterday evening my first chick started (19Th day) and all of today also. Tommorow I am almost sure he will hatch all the way out. IS this normal or should it take 1 1/2 days for the first chick to hatch?

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#47564 - 02/14/03 06:20 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Some chicks take awhile to come out, but most hatch within 1 day after they pip the egg. It is best to increase the humidity during hatching. That helps the chicks turn inside the egg & keeps them from sticking to the shell because they are to dry.
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#47565 - 02/14/03 07:33 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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"Ima".....if I had a chick taking that long to come out, I'd increase the humidity in the incubator. In a pinch, I just get an old washrag wet with warm water and put it in there. I hope your first chick is out by now! The general rule of thumb is for them to be out of that shell within 24 hours of pipping that first hole. It doesn't always work that way but *after* 24 hours I get a little nervous about it. Once you have a couple of chicks hatched and peeping, you will find the others progress much more quickly.

Bill -- honestly, I think that stopping the turning is just trying to mimic mother nature as closely as possible. Most hens will go into a trancelike state at the end, near the hatch time, and they won't get up for that daily eat/poop routine anymore. But, I have had hens that DO get up and of course when they get back on that nest and settle in, they are turning the eggs so I don't think it matters either. In fact, they turn the eggs during the actual hatch sometimes! I don't think you MUST stop. But turning by hand is a pain so I would stop just because I could. And automatic turners need to be removed well ahead of hatch time so I guess it makes sense with both methods.

Susie

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#47566 - 02/15/03 05:04 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Hi Susie - both my incubators have the automatic turners on the outside of the incubator, I don't need to remove them, just unplug. kinda neat, huh? It also helps because I do not have to open the incubator to remove a turner & there is no change in humidity. Controlling the humidity is also from the outside. The only time I open mine is to add or remove eggs, usually once a week. They also have clear plastic covers so I can see anything going on inside. When they are operating properly they hold temperatures within 1/2 degree of the 99.5 set point. After hearing about other incubtors, I'm glad I have these cool
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#47567 - 02/15/03 05:33 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Hi Bill,

I would love to have an incubator that doesn't need the turner removed! Ours is homemade and we purchased an automatic turner so we do have to remove it. Yours sounds really nice!

Susie

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#47568 - 02/15/03 07:37 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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I'd really like to try and build one, got plans?
Mine are made by Lyon Electric, Marsh farms. They are a Turn-X Model & a Roll-x Model, I've had them for 20 years and they were stored for about 15 years. But when I got back into raising Bantams again, I got them out,cleaned them up & they ran perfectly. I am having trouble with the smaller unit now, but I think that after 20 years its probably time to get a new one, so Monday I going to get on the phone and order it.
Have thought about trying other types, but I've had such good luck with these, I want to stay with works for me
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#47569 - 02/17/03 04:02 AM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Bill, we are "bonding" when I talk to them! I just wanted to mention that I have been trying a little 'experiment' with light (red vs white) colour. So far the chicks under the red light are far-r less noisy and seem to accept my ministrations with less hubbub than the ones under the white light (which chicks continually try to get on the feeders as I withdraw them to clean and re-fill and rush over to the waterer as soon as they hear the gurgling - trompling their hatch-mates in the process. Were they out of water before, no, they just wanted to get to the fresh water before anyone else :rolleyes: ).

I have had people come in and ask why those two batches are so much noisier than the other two (didn't notice the light colour differences). I usually run red lights for my chicks but, after last years discussions, decided to check it out again. I am only four weeks into this but I believe that I'll go back to just the red lights.

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#47570 - 02/18/03 06:42 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Actually - YEAH - I am laugh You want to try something else as an experiment? Do you want friendly birds??? I have a Fish Tank, yeah a FISH TANK that I put a small incubator over & I put newly hatched chicks in. It works well for small groups, but the idea is that the chicks imprint on humans, just like other animals do. The chicks that are started like that are never afraid of fast movement or people or dogs, cats or other animals that are around. When I move them to the brooder, I pick them up often & open wings. smooth tail feathers & etc. The birds I do this with will walk right into my hand, face off with the dog & are generally unflapable. GREAT for Show birds. Try it, it works cool cool
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#47571 - 02/19/03 02:24 AM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Well Bill, I hope you are not a young man because I can see that you have the makings of a real chicken man. They will ruin your life! You will become like many of us chicken mongers and observe them for hours and be lost to time for long periods. Your wife and kids won't know you and you won't even care who is on the latest stupid new show on television. Too bad you might have turned out to have a promising career in politics. I hope that over the years you receive as much enjoyment from chickens as I have for the last 48 plus years. I still have pictures of my first chicken "Henry" the mean White Leghorn rooster which I got in 1955. Henry started me down the road to ruination.

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#47572 - 02/19/03 02:26 AM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Well Bill, I hope you are not a young man because I can see that you have the makings of a real chicken man. They will ruin your life! You will become like many of us chicken mongers and observe them for hours and be lost to time for long periods. Your wife and kids won't know you and you won't even care who is on the latest stupid new show on television. Too bad you might have turned out to have a promising career in politics. I hope that over the years you receive as much enjoyment from chickens as I have for the last 48 plus years. I still have pictures of my first chicken "Henry" the mean White Leghorn rooster which I got in 1955. Henry started me down the road to ruination. I certainly have enjoyed them and they are so much nicer than people.

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#47573 - 02/19/03 06:19 AM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Bill --

No, I don't have any specific incubator plans. What we did was look all over the internet for plans and started with that. Like all things chicken, it is a work in progress! laugh Every time we use it, we see things we want to change. You know how that goes! Sounds good in theory, looks good after you build it and then when you really use it you are cussing a couple of things you did! LOL!

If/when we come up with something that is practical to build and truly easy to use, I'll draw up some plans and share them! Ours works and we get a good hatch rate, but we're talking about more modifying before this year's hatches. Maybe one day when I'm old and gray, I'll get it right.

Susie

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#47574 - 02/24/03 09:55 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Bill,

What kind of incubators do you use? I have always let the hens set, but I'm thinking of buying some eggs and hatching them in an incubator. What is the best kind for the backyard enthusiast and for small numbers of eggs i.e., 12.

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

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#47575 - 02/24/03 09:58 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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Oops, looks like I didn't read the second page of comments.....sorry about that.

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#47576 - 02/25/03 07:02 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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WELL - MR. Gaveny, its to late for me. I already do not watch T.V. There are more interesting things happening in the incubator, brooder & pens than anything T.V. can produce. I, too started when I was young, my mother always said "she was glad we didn't live in Africa", because of all the animals I brought home as a kid. Some of those, I forgot to take out of my pockets, frogs, and ended up being run through the ringer on washing machines (showing my age here) For some reason, I got into trouble about that ! ! !
Breeding, raising & showing Chickens is interesting & fun, but Spring hatching is the BEST
I spend a lot of time setting -up incubators to be exactly right & it pays off with excellent hatches. my "motto" is, if it can hatch, I can hatch it. Funny what entertains us eek laugh laugh laugh laugh
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#47577 - 02/25/03 07:50 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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For Bill. Are you aware that Cutler supply has parts for turnex incubators? I just ordered some parts from them. Prices are reasonable compared to buying new incubators.
As for a home made incubator that looked pretty good to me , I think its Mississippie state college that has plans for one on thier poultry science pages. Just use a search engine and type in incubator and poultry it will come up. It has a manual turner but it is all done by pushing or pulling 1 rod. and would only take a couple of seconds.
For BigBoy. I have been using full spectrum lights for my brooder reflectors. They are available at all hardware and garden stores.

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#47578 - 02/25/03 08:11 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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In the latter part of last November I found a neighbors hen in my barn setting on 14 eggs. I wanted to test my hovabator. So went and started it up aand let it stabilize for 1 day Then I went back out and stole 4 of the hens eggs. I put them in the incubator and marked the date that they shoul hatch if she just started the day befor I found them I kept the water level up to maintain humidity. On the 17th day I walked into the room where the incubattor was and heard a chirping. I had forgot to turn off the turner and infact didnt expect them to hatch for a couple of days more. I looked in and seen a freshly hatched chick. in an area wher there wer no egg racks he was fine. I stopped the turner and listened and could hear other unhatched eggs chirping. I kept a pretty close eye on the incubator and pretty soon that little chick that was hatched climbed back up and set in his shell. he got out again and climbed back in several times. It was very cute to see him returning to his shell but also kind of facinating that he did it. He would set all the way down in it. Two more of the 4 eggs I had also hatched and one did not. I checked the hen and she also had 2 hatched the first day and 3 more the second day. She did not leave the nest until the third day. I grabbed her chicks because it was quite cold outside and I was also worried about hawks and a cat that some times comes around. There was no feed for chicks available outside. 5 of her eggs did not hatch. I called her owner and told hm what I had done and he said he didnt have time or a place to care for them So I volenteard to keep them until they wer 5 weeks old then took them back to him and loaned him a light to keep them warm in his garage. please note that I had a better hatch rate than the hen. It was very cold at that time, Mid december.Nights were around 18 degrees F.

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#47579 - 02/28/03 05:31 PM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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olsubsailor - thanks, I have already recieved my new on , have it set up with eggs in it. I do want to work on my old one, but its got chicks in it (hatching)
That is quite a story about hatching. I've always thought I could hatch as good as any hen (right !). I don't do it because if I let my hens set I don't get as many eggs, when your raising them for show, more eggs, (chicks) is GOOD
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#47580 - 03/02/03 08:04 AM Re: When to stop turning eggs?
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old sub- you cheated as the eggs were already incubated by the hen- this changes the odds, dont expect as good success in later hatches

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#107299 - 12/11/12 11:22 AM Re: When to stop turning eggs? [Re: Anonymous]
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I have two hatches in the same incubator an due at different times. Can I leave the turner on without any adverse affects? It is an king suro 20.
Thanks for your replies in advance

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#107321 - 12/12/12 01:26 AM Re: When to stop turning eggs? [Re: rugy2014]
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Rugy, welcome to the Coop. You run the risk of damaging the hatching chicks if you leave the turner on. I'd be inclined to turn off and turn the later eggs by hand, say twice/three times a day, until your earlier chicks are out and in the brooder.

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