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#57724 - 02/17/05 06:51 AM Re: good bye deep litter system
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And be careful if using it on veggies, e-coli and so on. Its good for above ground crops and ground which will not be grazed untill new growth is good length

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#57725 - 02/17/05 09:18 AM Re: good bye deep litter system
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Perhaps duck juice would give it some kind of "wild duck" taste, eh, Rob? Golly, it makes that brown grass instantly green! And it grows like crazy!

When we've waited until it starts to stink of decomposition, we've gotten the fastest greening results. About that time, it's more brown than green though. In just about every case, we've hooked up the sprinkler & pump when the grass was pretty dry, short and dead looking. The smell... lasted just a few hours. Maybe cutting the grass before sprinkling is a good idea?

I'm not afraid of duck juice buring roots, it certainly would have killed all the new grass we were trying to establish, the water probably dilutes it enough.

In the case of you poor folks that have to shovel the little 'rockettes' in the wintertime, my mom always said, "shoveling horse **** is good for you, it builds character." see what it did for me? It can do the same for you! LOL!

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#57726 - 02/17/05 08:00 PM Re: good bye deep litter system
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the last thing I want in my compost pile is pine shavings. [/QB]
How come? Is it an issue with the speed at which they compost?

I dumped some used shavings into my bin and mixed it up good with what was already in there. Came back a week later and it is CHOCK FULL of worms. I was thinking about feeding these to my chickens, but then realized that they are covered with shavings and probably chicken poop. At first I was worried, but then I realized that my chickens are always pecking around the ground where they are poopin' all the time. What do you think?

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#57727 - 02/18/05 06:06 AM Re: good bye deep litter system
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I compost the shavings just fine, along with cardboard, newsprint and paper feed bags(not the shiny paper). The feed bagswork good as row mulch especially in onions and garlic but everything else too.

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#57728 - 02/22/05 05:46 AM Re: good bye deep litter system
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If there was a correct ratio of wood to manure, we sure missed it with out big pile. When I spred it all out, tilled it in, and plan the garden (about an acre+), the potatos did good, but everything else did horrible.... worse than ever before.

I do recall duck juice is not as hot as chicken poop. Again, this is a long time ago, it took a year or two for anything to grow where the chickens were fenced in, despite tilling and mixing in sawdust - then it was the green leafy stuff that grew like "Jack in the bean stalk" - like crazy!

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#57729 - 02/22/05 01:05 PM Re: good bye deep litter system
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Do you think that the deep litter success for Zoofemme is because there are guineas and chickens included--flat foot ducks pack the litter into the "cement" described, but the other fowl scratch and do much of the turning for you and help keep it from packing???

Where we live, and our local soils, makes a difference in how quick and how useful the litter becomes as compost. Here, I would die rather than add lime to our soil!!!!!! Just depends on your natural ph! It is always a good idea to do soil testing and find out what is good what is great and what is necessary and what is unnecessary or degrading, for our super gardens! CJR

PS, Our dairy term for the soaked and diluted cow-pies is "Cow Tea, and it is extra good for a lot of growing things!!

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#57730 - 02/22/05 07:02 PM Re: good bye deep litter system
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Loc: Australia
oh I do like your "cow tea"! ... it sounds sort of "upper class country garden".
... re the flat foot ducks, I have chooks in with the ducks & they do turn the surface somewhat, however the poop still hardens in the popular poop-ing spots where it gets very thick - I need to remember to shovel these areas out regularly.
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#57731 - 02/22/05 08:00 PM Re: good bye deep litter system
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Yes, the chickens and guineas help turn the litter some and I encourage em by throwing a little scratch down once in awhile. I turn it myself regularly as well with a good ol pitch fork and I remove the heavily soiled stuff. I agree that the ducks sure can pack it down though...I tried just letting the birds do their scratching thing mostly at first but the ducks made it obvious it wasn't going to be enough.

Zoo

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#57732 - 02/23/05 06:20 AM Re: good bye deep litter system
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Well, I suppose if I ever get into the wine making business like Rob, I could always put my ducks to work squashing grapes!
Don't like the straw, don't think I need it. I'm using that silly old baby blanket and the wood shavings. Actually, this isn't such a bad idea for a small flock. The blanket is a smooth, cotton, quilted fabric so the poop and wood shavings don't adhere to it, and it has a waterproof backing. I pour a bucket of shavings over this and lift the whole darn thing out every day/other day. MUCH easier on my back, let me tell you. Ducks seem perfectly contented with it - and I'm not worrying about damp litter anymore either. But, I'm still thinking of other ways to make it good for the ducks and efficient for me. With that deep litter poop frozen solid, I don't think it was giving off much heat in there.

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#57733 - 02/24/05 03:14 PM Re: good bye deep litter system
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Latest adjustment - I'm not using the blanket anymore, either. Too much washing daily - what for? I'm back to just the wood shavings and shovel - cleaning out 1x per week or when damp. Ducks really like it when I lay that fresh bucket down for them every night, but I wish it wasn't so expensive.

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