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#65763 - 03/16/06 12:27 PM Re: Bird Flu in USA?
Sue NH Offline
Coop Cleaner

Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 182
Loc: New Hampshire
It's a bunch of media hype. Probably fueled by the same people bring you NAIS.

In 1916 a lot of people died of flu. Most from secondary infections from their flu weakened bodies. Pnuemonia being the big one.
There were no antibiotics or other modern drugs. Pnuemonia clears up pretty well with a lot of modern drugs.

Our antivirals aren't real wonderful yet but we sure have a whole lot more than they did in 1916.
Medicine has come a long way.
Disinfectants were barely know then.

Regular flu kills somewhere around 30,000 people every year. Have we hit 200 yet after 6 years of this avian flu?

The policy of destroying every bird in many miles of an infected bird is also conterproductive. If a bird is resistant to the flu it would never live to pass on those genes. No natural immunities are being allowed to develop. Factory farms and locked up birds are going to be the biggest threat in the long run.

http://www.grain.org/briefings/?id=194

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#65764 - 03/18/06 07:37 AM Re: Bird Flu in USA?
Mopar Chick Offline
Chicken

Registered: 01/30/05
Posts: 77
Loc: Pennsylvania
That's the big plan? Storing canned tuna and dry milk under the bed?

Hurry! Hurry! The sky is falling!!! Run and hide!

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#65765 - 03/18/06 09:54 PM Re: Bird Flu in USA?
Wrancher Girl Offline
Chicken

Registered: 01/08/06
Posts: 82
Loc: Wisconsin
I've been studying a lot on this subject since I posted it. And am learning a lot too! Anyways the media hype is now saying that if this comes to the US people will not want to go outside and so they will start buying tons of food and stay at home. So we should start stocking up now? Why does the media think people are going to go crazy and buy all this food? Well because of all the fear and such they are putting on people everyday through media hype... They are creating there own problems! Did you hear today about the lady in egypt? I guess she was the first to die of the flu, so if only one person died why all the panic? How many people die of the regular flu a year? Maybe we should start worring about the sicknesses and dieses already in the US???? Ok thanks for all the replies and keep posting!
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#65766 - 03/19/06 11:22 AM Re: Bird Flu in USA?
Lady Cat Offline
Feather

Registered: 02/15/06
Posts: 44
Loc: Texas
Media hype is correct. Take a look at this:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editori...d_flu_hysteria/

Take note especially of this statement:

...serological surveys conducted in 1997 in Hong Kong and since have detected antibodies in thousands of humans who never got sick, showing that bird flu isn't as deadly to the few who come in contact with it as has been reported.

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#65767 - 03/19/06 12:41 PM Re: Bird Flu in USA?
David W. Offline
Chicken

Registered: 03/02/06
Posts: 131
Loc: Missouri
Am I the only one that is hearing some of the same Y2K stuff here? The world is about to end so store water, "tuna" (that was a new one. lol)etc to save yourself from the epidemic. I bought a house where a little old lady had installed a hand pump... Maybe I'll do that myself... smile

Dave

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#65768 - 03/19/06 01:51 PM Re: Bird Flu in USA?
CJR Online   content
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Registered: 07/16/02
Posts: 8490
Loc: Montana
Tuna, with Mercury?? CJR

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#65769 - 03/19/06 02:25 PM Re: Bird Flu in USA?
Twin Oaks Farm Offline
Coop Cleaner

Registered: 03/11/06
Posts: 229
Loc: Louisiana
I think those govt. officials running around like chickens with their heads cut off should stop alarming the public. And I'm not storing tuna with mercury, either! What I'd really like to know is what city dwellers are going to mix with that powdered milk so they can consume it. Bottled Perrier water, I presume?

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#65770 - 03/20/06 12:36 AM Re: Bird Flu in USA?
Uno Offline
Lord of the Fowl

Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 1280
Loc: Canada
SueNH brought up such a valid and hugely important point.....that 30,000 die every year from basic old flu that's going around. In comparison, bird flu is peanuts.

Our media is accountable to no one. They do not have to stand up and take the heat for their sensationalizing. And more worrying, our policy makers, more concerned about their careers than the good of their nation, play into the hands of the media. The media ( the idiot) drives the car and the politicians leap in the backseat for the ride. And the public gets run over along the way.

Chickens are being villified. What crap. Chickens, like CJR says, feed millions upon millions on this planet. It behooves us to step up and admit that our farming practices, our drive for profit AT ANY COST is the true culprit. Our addiction to CHEAP food, makes the consumer guilty by association. ( I believe everyone is entitled to a decent living, but one must also make one's living decently. Factory farms are the dirty secret that no one wants to talk about or point fingers at lest we end up paying for our ethics at the grocery store)

And we should not forget that flu vaccine, the serum that innoculates us, is produced IN CHICKEN EGGS!!! (at least it used to be) Sorry to get all poultry political. It's one thing to be cautious and informed, another entirely to be hopelessly stupid.

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#65771 - 03/20/06 09:43 AM Re: Bird Flu in USA?
Wrancher Girl Offline
Chicken

Registered: 01/08/06
Posts: 82
Loc: Wisconsin
Here's what feathersite.com is saying about the bird flu...

SPPA on Avian Influenza

Rare poultry breeders defend flocks against Avian Influenza

The Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities endorses all efforts to keep poultry and humans safe and healthy. The current fears of influenza pandemic caused by H5N1 avian influenza virus are unfounded and should not lead us to kill healthy birds.

The public is not in danger. Although the virus has infected and killed some people in Asia, it has not adapted easily to infecting humans. It has thus far caused less than 100 deaths, compared to the anticipated 40,000 deaths expected in the coming flu season in the U.S. from usual strains of influenza.

Dr. Donald Maki, infectious diseases chief at the University of Wisconsin - Madison counsels calm.

"It's been around for almost three years with lots and lots of opportunity to do so (transmit from person to person) and it hasn't happened yet," he said. "That suggests it's not an easy adaptation genetically."

This strain of Avian Influenza has not infected U.S. flocks. If it does, it is unlikely to pass to humans. It is deadly to birds and will be detected and eliminated.

Small flocks are among the most isolated of animals with regard to Avian Influenza, according to Dr. Rob Porter, veterinary pathologist for the Wisconsin Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory. Right now, since there is no H5N1 Avian Influenza on this continent, there is no danger that they will be infected.

Killing healthy birds to avoid the remote possibility of future infection is unjustified. Small flock owners are encouraged to contact the SPPA, christine.heinrichs@gmail.com, 608-243-8178, if their flocks are threatened. Ask for time to get a second opinion. SPPA will do all it can to help you.

Vaccines are effective against Avian Influenza in birds. Urge the USDA to control outbreaks with vaccination, not slaughter.

Write to the Andrew R, Rhorer, Director, National Poultry Improvement Plan, USDA, APHIS, VS, 1498 Klondike Road, Suite 101, Conyers, GA 30094, your Senator and Congressman and your state agencies and representatives to express your opinion as policies are being developed. Feel free to adapt material from this press release for your letters.
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#65772 - 03/21/06 07:54 PM Re: Bird Flu in USA?
David W. Offline
Chicken

Registered: 03/02/06
Posts: 131
Loc: Missouri
We also need to keep in mind that if we destroy or even deplete the small poultry industry we are causing serious damage to the diversity of our poultry industry. With the large chicken/turkey houses an epidemic can and probably will happen and unless there are individual farmers to compensate for this we create a much larger problem in the future. Ask the beekeepers about this. We are learning that certain types of bees are able to fend off the evil mites that are infecting the american bee industry. If we didn't have this type of diversity we would be without bees now! With any animal diversity is manditory for surviving an epidemic. Avian Flu is one of these. Just a thought.

Dave

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