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#66158 - 12/02/06 03:40 PM Re: Ducks and Chickens
Rogo16 Offline
Coop Keeper

Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 439
Loc: Arizona
I believe the public has been brainwashed into buying commercial feed. It's a big business. I've read that poultry will do well on just about any menu and from what I've seen I believe it.

I, like many, don't feed commercial feed. All species get the same menu. Hens lay and hatch for years.

I've purchased birds from a local hatchery that feeds similar to how I do.

I don't have a coop. My free ranging flock all roost together at night in a pen of chainlink panels partially covered with tarps.
(Ducks are Muscovies, so they too roost.) I've never had a sick bird.
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#66159 - 12/02/06 04:03 PM Re: Ducks and Chickens
Rob2 Offline
Classroom Professor

Registered: 03/28/03
Posts: 3068
Loc: Pennsylvania
Depends on whats expected of the animals. Not everyone has the knowledge of properly feeding a whole grain diet; not everyone has the ability to locate all the needed grains and supplements. We fed high performance chickens a mostly whole grain diet witth a great success.
For most its more efficient to purchase ready made feeds. I now use different feeds for different times of the year and different results.
For best results, waterfowl and land fowl require different feeds.
Layer feed is formulated to make the most eggs at the least cost per egg. Its not designed for egg and chick health not longevity. Most layers dont see their 3rd birthday.

Rogo, your management is not typical, your aniamls heve space and probably drier conditions than a lot of others.?? I dont see my management as typical either. I pretty much manage my chickens as the pheasants and amm not looking for production but place my importance otherwise. I do feed a lot of whole grains and veggies/fruit also.

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#66160 - 12/02/06 05:35 PM Re: Ducks and Chickens
Joachim Dippold Offline
Lord of the Fowl

Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 1823
Loc: Austria
Hello again,

have to support Josephk here: well said!

I canīt believe the ignorance of some posters here. Sorry for my rude typo, but this is a simple question of RESPECT towards the animal, dammit! Itīs not a question of "whats expected of the animals", but of course iīve read enough here from rob not to be surprised by this answer;-( Seems someone here is searching for excuses...

I also donīt see any "management" at all by rogo16 just by beeing too ignorant/lazy/whatever to take proper care for his animals;-(

Again, sorry for my rude typo but this had to be said!

I fully understand when this thread is being closed now, but someone here has to speak up for the animals. I mean after all it THEM for/because of whom weīre all here, arenīt we? "Ducks donīt need to swim", oh man, what an animal-despising opinion...

Sad and disappointed greetings,

Joachim

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#66161 - 12/03/06 07:33 AM Re: Ducks and Chickens
Rob2 Offline
Classroom Professor

Registered: 03/28/03
Posts: 3068
Loc: Pennsylvania
joachim,
not sure what your problem is here? Whats your need to get personal about, just a cheap shot?
My animals all get pretty darn good care, I know what I am doing and have been breeding animals all my life, good animals with good care. I am realistic in my management methods, and feel my skills have been honed over the years. I have had many positive compliments regarding my skills as an animal breeder and manager.
I too agree with what Joseph has said, I fail to understand what your problem is with my post?.

Any further discussion would be better treated by private mail

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#66162 - 12/03/06 04:05 PM Re: Ducks and Chickens
Rogo16 Offline
Coop Keeper

Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 439
Loc: Arizona
No two feed/tend the same. We all do what works for us. If I reach my bottom line and success for years with the program I'm using, I don't understand how it could be said that I'm doing things wrong!

Folks ask for advice on these forums. We post our experiences. If you don't agree, it doesn't mean we're wrong.
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#66163 - 12/04/06 07:20 AM Re: Ducks and Chickens
Joachim Dippold Offline
Lord of the Fowl

Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 1823
Loc: Austria
Hello again,

hehehehe, sure;-)

See, thatīs the problem here, you donīt argue but only defend yourself, and thatīs for both of you smart and experienced, guys;-) Regardless of what one expects from ducks itīs an arrogant point of view stating ducks donīt need to swim. Simple as that!

Ducks (well, most of them, uh?) are WATERfowl. Guess why? Who on earth gives you the right to decide that your ducks donīt need to swim?!? Itīs in their nature, is this so hard to understand?

I scrolled up to see my first answer to rogoīs ignorant posting. Well, it wasnīt rude at all but a simple, neutral question giving rogo and rob the chance to explain why they think ducks donīt need to swim. But instead of arguing all he and rob did was telling everybody how good they do as breeders and how healthy their birds are....

Joachim

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#66164 - 12/04/06 07:24 AM Re: Ducks and Chickens
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Joachim, it's okay to debate topics here, as we all have different views and management styles, but we don't need to debate about actual posters. Everybody here contributes a great deal when they offer their experiences.

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