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#71130 - 01/01/07 09:01 PM snake attack
RuffEnuff Offline
Ruler of the Roost

Registered: 01/27/06
Posts: 1148
Loc: Australia
i would like to display todays excitement for me while feeding my birds.

while half heartedly hearing one of my hens making a fuss i wandered over to where she had got back into her enclosure not long after i let her out. i had lifted the wire but it must have fallen back over her and her chickens were in with her. next thing i noticed a brown snake in with her and it seemed agitated. i thought it was just trying to get out so i lifted the wire and stepped back. mum and 3 chicks ran one way and the 4th ran towards me.

the snake slid out and i thought it would leave but it slithered around the place in a still agitated way, going around the nesting box which was in the enclosure and the whole area. poking its nose into crevices and flicking its tongue.

the chick was making a din about 2 feet from me and i decided the snake must be loking for it. i must say it took some nerve to stay still when it was wandering around my ankles. i could make out old scars and bumps in its scales.

having bread in my hands i threw it to mother hen so she would call her chick over, she was making less noise now. all the other birds had to come and stare with me and have their say.

the chick went over to its mother but the snake followed. mum attaked the snake and it grabed at her and ended up with a mouth full of feathers. the chickens became hysterical and ran around in circles.

to my amazement the snake attacked the chickens. i have never had one attack them before. usually they ignore them and continue on their way. the mother went crazy flying at the snakle and i stomped my feet and clapped my hands. then i thought that was stupid i should just observe. seeing it is one of the most poisonous australian snakes, most likely an eastern brown, i couldn't just go and remove the chicken from its mouth and it had totaly ignored me as it sees me and i see it on a regular basis.

after mother hen and chicks were out of the way. the snake totally ignored me and commenced eating the chick. it sort of chewed at it and wraped itself around the chick. the chick died within seconds.

as i was watching i thought "i should take a photo of this, i never seem to have a camera ready for these things". then i realized one was in the car nearby. the snake didn't appear to be going anywhere in a hurry so i ran to the car, ripped the cover off the camera, lucky i had my glasses on as usually i cannot see the screen without.

amazingly none of the photos are blurry from me shaking. only when he decided to rear up at the end and leave with the chicken.

the chicken is/was about 2 weeks old, was well grown and a pekin bantam. i guess the snake was a good 5 foot long as it was longer that my arms spread out.

i have just raced inside, down loaded the photos, reduced their size, posted them up on photobucket and now i will with my new found skills put them here. all in less than an hour.

[img] [IMG]http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/ruffEnuff_photos/brownsnakeattack001.jpg [/img][/IMG]

[img]http://[IMG]http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/ruffEnuff_photos/brownsnakeattack007.jpg[/img][/IMG]

in the first piccy you can see the hens feathers. in the second you can sell the lovely definition of the snakes scales.

i hope you like it. i thought it was interesting.
k.

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#71131 - 01/01/07 09:05 PM Re: snake attack
RuffEnuff Offline
Ruler of the Roost

Registered: 01/27/06
Posts: 1148
Loc: Australia
oops there was supposed to be 2 but you can see all 4 on photobucket. i think they maybe a bit big.
K

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#71132 - 01/01/07 09:35 PM Re: snake attack
Foehn Offline
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Lord of the Fowl

Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 1968
Loc: New Zealand
Instead of going to "image",in the full reply form, use the url button instead. You'll get a dialogue box to paste your photobucket link into. When you click ok you will get a second window where you can input a name for your link. That's all that will appear in your post and will take the reader straight to your sponsored photo album. As long as your album is public and not passwrod protected, it'll work fine. Hope this helps. Foehn

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#71133 - 01/02/07 04:56 PM Re: snake attack
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i love snakes really.......but now wont he "learn" where there is a potential free meal laying around?? dang. how common is this? do you got any way to "relocate" this problem? we got lots of nastys here in mn, but no 5' poisonous problems!!!!

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#71134 - 01/02/07 06:52 PM Re: snake attack
RuffEnuff Offline
Ruler of the Roost

Registered: 01/27/06
Posts: 1148
Loc: Australia
i am hoping it does not learn to take chickens. pythons do very quickly. from its behaviour it seems to have very poor eye sight and depends on sound. the birds could have escaped but were too stupid. it does account for some unexplained deaths i have.

there is no way i would relocate this fellow. i would shoot it first but i much prefer shooting them with megapixels than lead. they are far to dangerous to play with and what i did was risky. this snake has very little fear of me so i presume it sees me more than i see it, and just regards me as part of the furniture. i tend to wear steel capped boots and jeans and mow large areas of grass. from the behaviour with the birds it took a lot of antangonizing before it bit the hen...who died soon after from the venom.

i will be keeping a close eye on the snake incase i do start loosing chicks but a chick every now again does not really bother me. i saw it (or another like it) with a almost full grown rat a few weeks ago, which again it took away. this is what they are useful for.

amazingly there are no pythons yet or if there is they are not taking my birds. there are blue and brown tree snakes and a small red bellied black the other day.

things happen so quickly that there is no time to get a camera.

a friend has problems with pythons some of which will eat 3 pekin roosters in a night, which i suppose is not much when considering how big some grow. they will push through thin chicken wire and force open doors.often when visiting in the summer you can see one coiled around the roof beams of her pens. however if she ever wants to cull birds she does not lock them up. i sometimes take my culls to her and it is a very useful way of getting rid of excess roosters or sick birds. i am tempted to bring one home but my cages are not snake proof. i have phots of one with a couple of lumps in its belly.

i am down loading some photos that are more reduced in size this time. sorry the other was too big to go on the site but i am just learning. i thought they were smaller than that (didn't look at the pixels) but someone (luckily) has been fiddling with the camera and increased the mps compared to last time i used it.
k.

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#71135 - 01/02/07 07:21 PM Re: snake attack
RuffEnuff Offline
Ruler of the Roost

Registered: 01/27/06
Posts: 1148
Loc: Australia
here is that snake chewing on a chicken in a more reasonable small size. do you think i should make the photos smaller than this still?

poultry and friends

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/ruffEnuff_photos/quatersize3.jpg

i hope that works foehn. i appreciate the tutoring.
k.

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#71136 - 01/02/07 08:40 PM Re: snake attack
Foehn Offline
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Lord of the Fowl

Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 1968
Loc: New Zealand
ruffEnuff, Not sure if others can open your link but for me it won't. There appears to be too many http s in it. Ought to be only one which suggests your URL is not quite right. Although I'm not so familiar with photobucket, I think it should have a number at the end of it rather than just .jpg. Go back into the actual photo in your photobucket album and click on it. Compare the url in the address line with the url that appears in your post (you can check it by using the Edit button.) Are they the same? If not alter it. A good size for saving .jpg images for any internet things such as emails etc is anywhere between 80 and 600KB
PS I pasted your first link into the the address line on google search and that opens ok. Sure glad we don't have snakes in NZ!

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#71137 - 01/02/07 10:22 PM Re: snake attack
Uno Offline
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Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 1280
Loc: Canada
ruffEnuff:

Ugh! I would keel over stone dead if I saw a snake that size in my hen house, or anywhere for that matter! I admire your gracious approach to sharing your poultry with the locals. I have lost a few to local predators and don't resent it (too much). It is my understanding that snakes do not eat that often, maybe once a month or so, unlike hawks or coyotes who tend to eat as often as possible. So a snake might not become habituated to your flock as a food source the same way another animal might.

I wish I could open your pictures, but it just won't work for me. I'd love to see, I think confused

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#71138 - 01/03/07 12:02 AM Re: snake attack
RuffEnuff Offline
Ruler of the Roost

Registered: 01/27/06
Posts: 1148
Loc: Australia
yea!! i did it. at last it works. thanks Foehn, what i did was click copy twice.

i think it opens only one photo. if you want more i can pop another couple in. now i had better get back to the genetics site and get some understanding of what my birds may be.
k.

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#71139 - 01/03/07 01:23 AM Re: snake attack
Foehn Offline
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Lord of the Fowl

Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 1968
Loc: New Zealand
Terrific photo. Just as well it was too occupied swallowing your chicken frown to be interested in the "crazy" photographer waving a camera in it's face. eek ...... And I'm still glad we don't have snakes in NZ. (Well maybe one or two of the 2 legged variety :rolleyes: )

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#71140 - 01/03/07 04:15 AM Re: snake attack
Foghorn Offline
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Registered: 09/20/06
Posts: 13
Loc: Kentucky
That is quite a picture! Thanks for the account and for the picture.

Quite some time ago I discovered a diamond back rattlesnake wrapped up next to one of the nesting boxes in our coup. I don't have any pictures, but I can tell you that they taste pretty good.

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#71141 - 01/03/07 12:34 PM Re: snake attack
Dolly Llama Offline
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Registered: 12/05/06
Posts: 30
Loc: Iowa
I'm with you UNO. I would die if I saw a snake that big. I'll take raccoons over snakes any day. We don't really have anything poisonous here. maybe a few rattlers, but I've never seen one. I hate to say it, but I would probably kill a snake like that if I found enough courage to do it.

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#71142 - 01/04/07 02:29 PM Re: snake attack
Coop Slave Offline
Chicken

Registered: 08/14/06
Posts: 127
Loc: Australia
Great picture! I have had a few browns in my chook shed, but the birds always just seem to ignore them. They always scare the crap out of me but the birds don't seem to care.

I am amazed that it ate one of your chicks. I thought they would find easier prey. Now I am worried about mine.

Would love to see any other pictures you managed to get of it! If you copy the URL (third box at photobucket) and paste it in your message it puts the picture right in you message. You just have to make sure they are not to big. Looking forward to more SCARY snake pictures.

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#71143 - 01/04/07 11:13 PM Re: snake attack
Jrsygntbrdr1 Offline
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Registered: 06/12/05
Posts: 2601
Loc: Arkansas
All I can say is...I am so glad I don't live in Australia!!! Between your Brown snakes and the Black Mamba...give me tornadoes anyday! I'd take a BB gun with me everywhere if I were in Australia! (Or maybe a stronger gun!)

I hate the Black Rat Snakes that I find here, good Lord! If I saw that thing in my yard, I'd freak, dance around a bit, and then get the heck outta dodge! Ya'll are much braver than I am!

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#71144 - 01/05/07 02:09 AM Re: snake attack
Rogo16 Offline
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Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 439
Loc: Arizona
Having lived with rattlers and having kids, I do not hesitate to shoot any snake. It may have been their land at one time, but it's mine now and I will do what's needed to protect me and mine.
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#71145 - 01/05/07 09:09 AM Re: snake attack
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Registered: 07/16/02
Posts: 8483
Loc: Montana
There is something important in this experience that has been described to us. This large, poisonous snake is apparently not a threat that requires its killing. It is seen regularly and has not ever bothered the chickens. This was an experience for the snake AND the chickens that was started by a wire falling back on an enclosure with the snake and the hen and her chicks. Until chick made a cry at being separated and the hen carried on when the chick returned and then attacked the snake, it did no harm. The chick that had been left behind and that the snake decided to eat, may not have been in the snake's plan at all, until the disruption began? This snake lives and is eliminating rats, other varmits (must be to reach its size). There may be reasons to eliminate some snakes. And this snake might someday have to go--but for now, it is doing its job, better than we could--and I am very glad to have heard this tale, seen the picture of the snake--and learned again, that every unusual animal does not have to be killed on sight! (and yet admitting that some DO)! CJR

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#71146 - 01/06/07 02:44 AM Re: snake attack
RuffEnuff Offline
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Registered: 01/27/06
Posts: 1148
Loc: Australia
once i killed brown snakes, when i had kids howeer it did not make it any less likely they could be bitten. also more people are bitten while trying to kill, catch or teasing them than any thing else.

also the rat and mouse problem has got so bad that we need to resort to poisonous baits. kill the predarors and you are asking for trouble. poison the vermin and you poison everything else.

i feel that learning to live with these things is far more important. rats and mice carry disease, eat wildlife, compete for food and space etc etc.

fear of these things is something we must make ourselves overcome. learn to admire their beauty,understand them, to admire them in action and feel privlaged to be a witness to them.

i would sacrifice a hundred chickens to get photos as good as these. you can set things up for a photo session but getting something that is spontaneous and wild is something special.

even my 71 year old mum has changed her attitude to snakes and often tells me of her latest experiences with them with delight. i have shown her my photos and now she wants a digital camera too.

i don't think browns hunt chickens often. if the hen had brains she should have left. there was about another 20 birds watching with me and as close as me. the snake went past all these and totally ignored them. i have no idea why it just decided on that particular one. it looks well fed.

i have seen poultry eat small snakes too.

this is one of the whole snake.

[img]http://[IMG]http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/ruffEnuff_photos/quartersize2.jpg[/img][/IMG]

i need more practise at this.



and:



and:


done it!! wow i am slow.
k.

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#71147 - 01/06/07 06:40 PM Re: snake attack
Coop Slave Offline
Chicken

Registered: 08/14/06
Posts: 127
Loc: Australia
Was anybody else able to see the picture? I could not, but I would really like to.

Thanks for sharing this with us.


I can see them now. They are great pictures! Good on ya for having the composure to take them.

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#71148 - 01/08/07 11:32 AM Re: snake attack
Oakie Offline
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Registered: 08/30/02
Posts: 415
Loc: Oklahoma
I can see them just fine. Thanks for sharing them us.

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#71149 - 01/08/07 11:38 AM Re: snake attack
Jrsygntbrdr1 Offline
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Registered: 06/12/05
Posts: 2601
Loc: Arkansas
The only one that I can't see is the very top picture.

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#71150 - 01/20/07 08:22 AM Re: snake attack
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1/20/07 BBC has an article about tens of thousands of snakes coming into urban areas in Australia and killing people. The dryest weather in 100 years is the cause.

Once any snake kills a chicken they will be back. In rattle snakes, when you kill one, the mate will be coming in several days to find them and you will have to deal with it also.

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#71151 - 01/25/07 02:47 AM Re: snake attack
RuffEnuff Offline
Ruler of the Roost

Registered: 01/27/06
Posts: 1148
Loc: Australia
ho ho ho waak, love your media. yes some bad droughts lately but if people do get bitten, and it is usually through their own stupidity because they want to kill it or look like a steve irwin, there are good emergency treatments and vacine.

the pythons tend to get lazy and come back but i think this brown just droped in. most people relocate the pythons. i will not kill one. these days since my kids have fledged i tend to leave the browns alone. and let them do their thing. i know my first aid and i do not try to catch them or annpoy them.

i feel that man has done enough harm to the environment and to have these fellows come in gives me some hope that maybe i can do a little to help reverse the trend. to me control over my fears and the ability to watch and observe AND shoot digitally is so much more gratifying.

then again it is ratus ratus and canine domesticus that does have me frothing at the mouth, ready to do death and mayhem.

i try very hard not to let the hawks get a taste for my birds as well. and you know what i find so gratifying if one does kill?....being able to shoot it digitally...that is the skill of the hunt. that is the thrill. to race inside and to download it onto the computer and hope like heck that i might get a clear photo in all the excitement. it does not happen very often.
k.

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