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#75159 - 08/01/03 03:05 PM Introducing a new roo to an established flock with an older roo.
Larissa Offline
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Registered: 06/09/03
Posts: 174
Loc: Oregon
Now that I have established that one of my chicks is in fact positively a cockerel (thanks to the feedback from other coop forum members), I will soon need to send him away to my mom who lives in the country. According to law, you can't have roosters living in Portland, Oregon city limits.

My mom has a large coop and run with 12 laying hens of varioius breeds and one mixed breed rooster who she and my aunt found living in the woods a few years back.

My concern is with the introduction of my RI cockerel to his new home and flock. My plan is to wait until he is almost fully grown or begins to crow (god forbid--my neighbor will not be happy if the crowing starts early) . I am mostly concerned with not knowing whether or not he will fight with the established rooster, who is rather small, or at least will be smaller once the RI is grown.

As far as temperment, I know that my mom's rooster is very gentle and has never attacked or shown any aggressive behavior towards people or otherwise. My Lucille (still haven't decided on a new name) though still young is also a very tame and gentle little fellow but definitely the top chicken in his current home.

Not having had the experience of putting two roos together I'd like some advice as to how and when to make this introduction. Two roosters can live together without fighting....can't they?

Also, I've red various things about when cockerels start to crow. 16 to 20 weeks is what it seems to be. Is this correct?

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#75160 - 08/01/03 06:00 PM Re: Introducing a new roo to an established flock with an older roo.
Rob2 Offline
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Registered: 03/28/03
Posts: 3068
Loc: Pennsylvania
Take the easy way out, get rid of 1 of them, they will fight.

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#75161 - 08/01/03 07:21 PM Re: Introducing a new roo to an established flock with an older roo.
Anonymous
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Two roosters for 12 hens should be ok. Have her watch for over-breeding. I would introduce him as early as possible. That way he won't be sexually active when he first gets there, and the rooster shouldn't care as much about him. The original rooster will be dominant until he (the rir) gets bigger then the original rooster. At that time there will probably be a squabble, but it shouldn't be too bad, as by then they will know each other. That's what I would do.

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#75162 - 08/02/03 11:11 AM Re: Introducing a new roo to an established flock with an older roo.
Spotted Crow Offline
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Registered: 07/24/03
Posts: 855
Loc: Massachusetts
Jerry was 8 weeks old when he started to crow. So Lucille may have to hit the road sooner than you want.

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#75163 - 08/02/03 01:01 PM Re: Introducing a new roo to an established flock with an older roo.
Susie Offline
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Registered: 07/16/02
Posts: 1902
Loc: Arkansas
I agree with introducing them ASAP. That will help to (hopefully) reinforce that the young one is NOT top dog, as he will never be with his new flock. I have found it is easiest to bring new roosters into my flock as chicks and let them grow up with the adult roosters I am keeping. It doesn't always work out though so that has to be taken into consideration. I introduce new cockerels with the thought that it may or may not work out. Always have an alternative plan, whether it's to give him away to a new home or butcher him.

Susie

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#75164 - 08/02/03 01:04 PM Re: Introducing a new roo to an established flock with an older roo.
Susie Offline
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Loc: Arkansas
I have to add, YoYo, they may NOT live. Roosters don't always survive the fighting. Sometimes it's torturous. Sometimes it's not bad and just establishes pecking order. But birds are savages and they very easily can kill each other or leave mortal wounds.

Susie

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#75165 - 08/02/03 06:30 PM Re: Introducing a new roo to an established flock with an older roo.
CJR Offline
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Registered: 07/16/02
Posts: 8489
Loc: Montana
. . . PS and your mother's kind and non agressive cock may have a change of personality with competition! I wouldn't do it myself! CJR

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#75166 - 08/03/03 10:13 PM Re: Introducing a new roo to an established flock with an older roo.
Anonymous
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Nope... not me. Either find another home for Mr. Roo Roo or ax one of them. I don't consider it easy anyway you do it. Better he live elsewhere or die an easy death rather than be beat up and killed by an adult rooster. I have seen it. It is not pretty.

A RIR Standard will probably start crowing from 15-20 weeks. My standard dual purpose breeds generally start crowing about 17 weeks. But remember... generally those first couple weeks of crows are pretty silly sounding and not near as loud as they will get. You will have some warning.

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#75167 - 08/04/03 02:56 AM Re: Introducing a new roo to an established flock with an older roo.
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I'm sorry, but I just have to question those of you against introducing the new rooster. I don't many any offense in any of this. Have you guys never successfully introduced a new rooster to an older one? I'm sure most of you have successfuly done so on many, many occassions. It is very true that it could end disasterous. Although currently I only have 3 adult roosters (buff orpintion, buff brahma, and black australorp) with about a dozen growing cockrels, I have had many more in the past all living together just fine. The only reason I only have three adults right now is because I had to remove various others due to the extreme noise they were producing. They crowed all day and night. They had to go. There were fights, I won't deny it, but that is part of keeping chickens. It is one of the reasons I got into chickens, to watch their behaviors. My personal favorite behavior is when two roosters start displaying and struting around. Of course you have to take precautions and be ready to seperate them, as something that works today, might not work tomorrow. It is one of the challenges that comes with keeping chickens.

There are so many car accidents out there on the road everyday. Just because there is a chance you could be in one of those accidents, are you not going to get in your car to go to work? To those of you who keep poultry as your way of life. A crow could fly next to your pens fence, not even in the fence, die of new castle, and transmit it to your entire population of birds, killing them all. Are you going to stop keeping chickens just because it could happen? No, you'll take precautions. You'll wear your seatbelt, drive the speed limit or atleast close to it, vaccinate your birds, and remove dead animals from around your property, among other things. These accidents could easily kill you and your family or destroy your entire way of life, yet you won't place two roosters together that have a good chance of getting along just fine. Take a risk, take precautions, and learn from the experience.

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#75168 - 08/04/03 08:22 AM Re: Introducing a new roo to an established flock with an older roo.
CJR Offline
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Registered: 07/16/02
Posts: 8489
Loc: Montana
No argument, either, but just to express different points of view. Being practical, there really isn't any reason to keep another rooster, if he isn't needed for breeding--or for butchering, especially,if he isn't one of the gang to start with. Wear and tear on hens is another reason not to have him, just to give him a home. Finding another home will keep a peaceful barnyard, peaceful.

And for those who do not mind a good bloody battle of the roosters (little cockerel tussles don't count), for order of the peck. . . . if you put two strange cocks together, it is not a lot different from "cock fighting", with an audience and the betting. . . . Not my business if you let it happen, but not on my watch!! My 5 breeding cocks live, each with 2 to 6 hens, separately. There are other temporary pairs and trios that each have nice big pens and runs--waiting to be mailed out to new homes. And I have pens of up to 8 cockerels living together with no problems, will be sorted out to go with selected pullets from two other "girl's dorms".
There is no blood-letting, and no harassing of pullets.

After all that--- indeed, some large breed fowl, and some individual birds in most all breeds, are very mellow and do not seem to engage in fighting. Several cocks raised together with the flock do not have a problem. So while I would never consider for a minute (or a second) putting a new rooster in any of my pens, some of which are very large, for some, this is an option that could work out okay! So, when asked the question--my answer will always be? "maybe, if you are willing to face the consequences and are able to make alternative arrangements on short notice--but I would never do it". I do not like bloody animal fights of any kind, if I am their protector! CJR

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