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#86495 - 03/26/05 10:48 AM Help!! Welsumer rooster won't move!
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I found him this morning in the coop, on the ground and he wouldn't move. When I picked him up to separate him he closed his eyes and his head went limp. I thought he had died but when I layed him down and prodded him he opened his eyes but just lay there. He had white dribble around his vent and his crop is empty.

I've cleaned up the vent area and checked him over and can find no wounds. Yesterday he was staying in the henhouse watching his girls from the doorway but I just figured since our weather had turned very hot yesterday that he was taking advantage of the shade.

Right now he is laying on his side and doesn't seem to care if he's upright or not. I think this might be the end of him but have no clue why. None of the welsumer hens in the pen with him appear sick but since I don't know what he's got I don't know if they will get it too.

If anyone can think of anything I can do to try and save this rooster I would be forever in your debt! There are no avian vets in my area and the one vet that has been willing to treat my poultry is gone on vacation and the replacement's advice was to butcher him and eat him (I can't believe the people that can get vet degrees nowadays frown )

Only one other thing I can think of to note. About ten feet from the coop is a large live animal trap and we caught two raccoons in the trap overnight. They are unable to get inside the coop and he has no wounds on him but just in case this might be relevant I mentioned it.

Mods, please forgive me if I posted this in the wrong forum but to me this is urgent. If I can't figure out what's wrong with this roo fast he's going to die.

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#86496 - 03/26/05 11:11 AM Re: Help!! Welsumer rooster won't move!
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You cannot give a bird any medication when they are commotose. Just keep him quiet and check on him, but I could not give you any encouragement for his survival. Yesterday's retirement from duty, at the door of the coop, may be the only clue you will have that he was ailing. They hide it as long as they can! It is sad and while we always have HOPE, be prepared to part with him. CJR

And while it is too bad that present day Vets do not get much, if any, background in Poultry, unless they specialize in it, please realize that there is little call for it--dogs, cats, large livestock, even exotics, are where their services are in demand. They are all somewhat Specialists these days and if you can find an Avian Vet, who serves the "cage bird" fancy, they are often the best we can find.

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#86497 - 03/26/05 11:19 AM Re: Help!! Welsumer rooster won't move!
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Thanks CJR. Yeah I understand that most vets dont' get poultry training and that I can understand. What got me was the butcher him and eat him remark. Even if this wasn't my only Welsumer roo I don't think its good advice to tell someone to eat a sick rooster.

He's managed to right himself but is just laying there looking miserable. He is awake and reacted to my arrival by cutting his eyes over to look at me but didn't even attempt to stand (and I might add this rooster hates me and takes every chance he can get to try and attack). Is there anything I could give him now that might help or is it probably too late?

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#86498 - 03/26/05 11:45 AM Re: Help!! Welsumer rooster won't move!
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One thing I do know from a bad experience is if any animal is laying down you must turn them from side to side and sitting up every 30 minutes around the clock til better. Any animal while healing will catch pnemonia. Do turn, turn, turn. I tried a broad spectrum antibiotic in an eye dropper for a rabbit and lots of turning since no vet knew what to do. In two weeks he got over it. The longest two weeks of my life. I have not had the problem with chickens, but I would do the same. Sorry to be of no real help.

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#86499 - 03/26/05 12:43 PM Re: Help!! Welsumer rooster won't move!
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Registered: 03/25/05
Posts: 29
Loc: Oregon
Get an eyedropper, some electrolytes (for babies or sports folks) and give him liquid. (Or try water with sugar in it. Not quite as good but it is a pick me up.) Put the eyedropper by the end of his beak and spritz out a little water. Also, keep him warm. Perhaps a heat lamp or put him on a heating pad, covered to protect the pad. Offer him scrambled eggs but do not force him to eat.

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#86500 - 03/26/05 02:47 PM Re: Help!! Welsumer rooster won't move!
Bill Ludwig Offline
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Registered: 07/17/02
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Loc: Ohio
Unless advised by an avian vet, I would not give sports drinks, Pedialyte or stuff designed for human consumption to a bird. Their physiology is much different than ours. Birds do not urinate and can not flush any excess of these chemicals from their systems. Vitamin and electrolyte mixes made specifically for poultry are readily available at most feed stores as well as Tractor Supply Co. Since he can not move I would not place a heat lamp or heating pad on him. If his is in the home he should be warm enough. Once again birds are much different than humans. They can not perspire to cool themselves. If he can not drink water or pant he could over heat. I wish I had something to say that would help. Keep us updated of any changes. As CJR said, you canít treat him in his condition. If he gets a little stronger on his own then maybe. Best wishes!

Bill L

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#86501 - 03/26/05 07:47 PM Re: Help!! Welsumer rooster won't move!
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Thank you all for your help. I mixed up some vitamins and electrolytes I had from the feed store but never had a chance to give it to him. He died a few hours ago and had not moved or opened his eyes for at least an hour before he died.

I'm starting to think he possibly died from botulism. A few days ago he managed to get into the compost pile and the way his neck twisted when he died reminded me of a duck I had that died from botulism a few years ago.

I dont' know the protocol of this forum but since he's dead now its obviously no longer an emergency. I really do appreciate everyone that tried to help.

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#86502 - 03/27/05 09:45 AM Re: Help!! Welsumer rooster won't move!
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Registered: 11/20/04
Posts: 397
Loc: Southern Pacific
sounds like mareks. if you examine his liver it may be large and spotted. and the loss of limb control is a symptom of mareks.

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#86503 - 03/27/05 10:17 AM Re: Help!! Welsumer rooster won't move!
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It's a wild guess, but he may have just died from a heart attack, from a scare by the raccoons. I lost a young cockerel from fright, about 3 months old, when it apparently died of a heart after I was dusting the cockerels with Sevin dust. I was dusting the cockerels, one by one, and after setting this one down it started to convulse and then went limp. I brought it into the house and put it onto a towel. I wasn't certain if it was alive but it seem to be paralysed. It's eyes were open. I came back to check after a while and it's eyes closed and was definitely dead.

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#86504 - 03/30/05 12:41 PM Re: Help!! Welsumer rooster won't move!
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Registered: 03/25/05
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Loc: Oregon
Bill L
Thanks so much for correcting my giant errors. I appreciate it.

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