embryo size


The Classroom @ The Coop: Poultry Breeding/Genetics: embryo size
By Robbpa on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 05:37 pm:

ON another site I was beat up by suggesting breeding crested ducks to call ducks. It was suggested that cresteds are freaks. that there is a hole in the head at crest site and feathers can grow into brain!! Also by breeding a large male to small female, the embryo will somehow grow to big for the egg. It just makes no sense to me. I ask for proof, everyone had some, stillwaiting for it. Any input on this. I am confident,most info on this site is reliable.


By Mark Jacobs (Mjacobs) on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 09:53 am:

I have been attempting a similar cross for a few years. I have had limited success. I am using a white mallard drake on a rather small white crested duck. I have been cautious of the reciprocal mating as the drake would be awfully large to mount a small duck. I have hatched some from this mating, but not many. I have seen him mount her, and everything indicates he is doing his job, but for whatever reason fertility is extremely low, less than 20%. I have yet to hatch a duckling with much of a crest. A tuft is the most I have come up with so far.
Anyway, crested ducklings DO NOT have a hole in their head, they have a fleshy knob that the feathers grow out of. Occassionally you will see a deformed duckling that has a depression in the knob & I suppose that feathers could frow into this, but those ducklings usually don't survive long. The crested gene is a natural mutation that happens occasionally in most all breeds. The crested breed has simply been bred to enhance this mutated trait.
I am not positive about the embryo growing too large for the shell, but in my experience with chickens, that is usually not a problem.


By Rokimoto on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 11:04 am:

The crest in waterfowl is supposed to be a recessive lethal. That means that if you cross two crested ducks 1/4 of the embryos will die, 1/2 will have crests and 1/4 will be normal. This may only apply to geese. 20% hatch means that something else is wrong too. Inbreeding or inadequate mating, nutrition, health, parasites etc.


By Mark Jacobs (Mjacobs) on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 11:32 am:

Yes, the crested gene is recessive lethal, with percentages as stated above. Definitely holds true for ducks as well as geese.


By Robbpa on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 01:05 pm:

Thankyou both. Mark, is this your only waterfowl breeding. I find ducks rather interesting and i really enjoy them on the table. I may just leave the calls out of my breeding and work with crested, buff and swedes. I am interested in the cr genes and color combinations.


By Mark Jacobs (Mjacobs) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 09:56 pm:

Robbpa, I breed crested ducks & have been "piddling" with trying to come up with the bantam crested. My main crested flock is made up of blue, black, silver, chocolate, & lilac swedish patterned ducks. I also have a pastel drake with the largest crest I've ever seen, so I am hoping to breed that crest into my swedish pattern ducks. I don't know much about duck genetics, so I've been doing it by trial & error. I would like to add some geese to the farm, but haven't found any breeds that I like really well. I think Buff Pomeranians are the leading breed so far.


By Robbpa on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 07:52 pm:

Mark I would like some geese to put in my currant and elderberry fields but, gotta draw the line somewhere. too hard to put full resources into too much!. Thought I knew where I was going with the ducks but not sure now. Possibly a new poster will be here. Joel. He is working on Cr. calls. Knowledable dude he is. I really like magpies, ancoas and swedes, but with the crest. Must decide soon/ I received the D. Holderread book on ducks today. Its not bad.


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